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Putin Laments Death of the Soviet Union
ABC News ^ | Feb. 12

Posted on 02/12/2004 5:18:22 PM PST by nickcarraway

Russian President Vladimir Putin Laments Death of Soviet Union in Campaign Speech

MOSCOW Feb. 12 — President Vladimir Putin used a campaign speech Thursday to declare the demise of the Soviet Union a "national tragedy on an enormous scale," in what appeared to be his strongest-ever lament of the collapse of the Soviet empire. Putin, a former agent of the Soviet KGB spy agency, has praised aspects of the Soviet Union in the past but never so robustly nor in such an important political setting.

"The breakup of the Soviet Union is a national tragedy on an enormous scale," from which "only the elites and nationalists of the republics gained," Putin said in a nationally televised speech to about 300 campaign workers gathered at Moscow State University.

The president's language was sure to send a chill through the 14 other former Soviet republics that have been independent from Moscow rule for more than a decade.

In the past and to audiences from the former republics, Putin has sought to ease fears about Russia having designs on rebuilding the old empire.

In September remarks after a meeting of the Commonwealth of Independent States the grouping of former Soviet republics Putin said:

"The Soviet Union (was) a very complicated page in the history of our people," adding "that train has left."

But on Thursday, he spoke in a much stronger tone, appearing to play to Russian nationalism.

"I think that ordinary citizens of the former Soviet Union and the post-Soviet space gained nothing from this. On the contrary, people have faced a huge number of problems," he said.

"Today we must look at the reality we live in. We cannot only look back and curse about this issue. We must look forward," he said.

Across town, meanwhile, Putin challengers in the election next month refused to debate among themselves in a television program called for that purpose. The candidates said a debate was meaningless without Putin, who says he doesn't need the free television advertising.

At the taping of what was to be the first debate ahead of the March 14 vote, four of Putin's six challengers answered questions from the studio audience, but then rejected the host's appeal that they debate each other.

"Bring Vladimir Putin here and we will have a debate," independent liberal candidate Irina Khakamada said, winning applause from the audience.

Calling it pointless to debate with anyone but Putin, "my main competitor", Communist candidate Nikolai Kharitonov said that by ignoring the debates, "Putin is depriving the population of the right to choose."

Also at the taping were candidates Sergei Glazyev of the populist-nationalist Homeland Party and Oleg Malyshkin of Vladimir Zhirinovsky's ultranationalist Liberal Democratic Party.

Regardless of Putin's public declarations about campaign advertising, state-controlled television channels already lavish him with extensive coverage as on Thursday when state-run Rossiya showed his remarks live.

Addressing a packed auditorium at Moscow State University, Putin said: "The head of state should not engage in self-advertising."

"Nevertheless," he continued, "I am simply obliged before my voters and the entire country to account for what has been done during the past four years, and to tell people what I intend to do during the next four years."

Responding to a question after his state-of-the-nation-style speech, Putin said that the 1991 Soviet collapse which most Russians regret led to few gains and many problems for ordinary citizens.

Turning to global politics, Putin said that Russia must become a "full-fledged member of the world community" and assailed those in the West who still have a Cold War-era distrust of Russia. They "can't get out of the freezer," he said.

Putin reiterated his stated opposition to prolonging his time in office, limited to two terms. But he indicated he would choose a preferred successor, saying that the task of any top leader "is to propose to society a person he considers worthy to work further in this position."

Some Putin opponents had considered boycotting the presidential election, saying a fair vote was impossible in Russia today, and the refusal to debate in Thursday's program reflected the candidates' anger at the president's dominance of the campaign.

Some political analysts said, however, the public does not expect Putin to debate.

"They see the head of state as a monarch who shouldn't participate in discussions with those below him in the hierarchy," said Andrei Ryabov of the Carnegie Institute in Moscow said.

The Organization for the Security and Cooperation in Europe said the state-controlled media's parliamentary campaign coverage was slanted toward pro-Putin forces and accused the government of pressuring news media, to limit opposition views.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: 2004; capitalism; communism; elections; nostalgia; putin; putinsbuttboys; russia; sovietunion; ussr; vladimirputin; vladtheimploder
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To: RussianConservative
I agree.

America "freedom"=>France socialism

Russia (free)=> America (bureaucracy)
41 posted on 02/12/2004 9:50:34 PM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: MarMema
Who is putting down the Russians? Have they ever read The Overcoat?
42 posted on 02/12/2004 10:29:15 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
Looked up The Overcoat, looks interesting,
43 posted on 02/12/2004 10:44:03 PM PST by mel
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To: nickcarraway
Putin Laments Death of the Soviet Union

Show trials, gulags, getting grins watching news-reels of scared American children
practicing "duck and cover"...
ah, those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd never end...

(end sarcasm and lyric hijacking)
44 posted on 02/12/2004 10:47:07 PM PST by VOA
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To: Mr. Mojo; RussianConservative
Putin Laments Death of the Soviet Union

I think what Putin has been misquoted in this thread. He said that anyone who did not mourn the passing of the USSR had no heart. However he also said that anyone who wanted to go back to the USSR has no brain. The first statement is being quoted often, with the second being conveniently ignored.

And think of it ....the USSR was a military juggernaut. The current Russian military is more efficient, and it is taking steps to modernize (and even trying to move away from conscripts), however it is still a shadow of what it was during the USSR aegis. Any red-blooded person would miss the days when his/her country was a glbal super-power. Imagine if the USA one day was not number one militarily? Most true Americans would feel horrid.

Hence Putin saying anyone who does not mourn the passing of the USSR has no heart.

And then he said anyone who wants to go back to the USSR has no brain. Why? Because that system was a cancer.

Once you put the two statements together the guy makes sense. If onyl one (the first) is used then it seems as if Putin is trying to resurrect the soviet beast. He is not .....the guy ahs done a lot for Russia, including uplifting its economy (obviously not on US standards ...and what country is anyways ....but for most of the world Russia is doing well, especially when you consider less than a decade ago it was in shambles).

Many people do not like Putin because he is a maverick, and does things not as the world community would want but according to the will of the Russian people. He is basically a leader who thinks his country first and the rest of the world later. That is not a popular view in the world community.

Is he perfect ....far from it. But he is the best thing to happen to Russia in a long time.

45 posted on 02/12/2004 11:12:22 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: nickcarraway; Alamo-Girl; amom; JohnHuang2; Grampa Dave; Ragtime Cowgirl; Mia T; Jim Robinson; ...
Just go's to show you, once a Communist, Always a Communist
(Putin), and adds strength to the old saying, "leopards can't change their spots"!!!!
46 posted on 02/12/2004 11:18:28 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: nickcarraway
You do know, I assume, that Gogol was a brilliant satirist. I have everything he wrote and favor him just slightly over Dostoevsky.

But my favorite is The Inspector General, yes even over the Nose.

You can often rent a lovely musical made of the Inspector General, suitable for kids and most enjoyable. With Danny Kaye, I think. We do every once in awhile.

Dead Souls, I think, is also available on film, or one of the chapters. It is not suitable for children and is immensely sad in many ways, however.

47 posted on 02/12/2004 11:25:11 PM PST by MarMema
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To: spetznaz
Thank you for adding a reasonable and intelligent post to this thread.
48 posted on 02/12/2004 11:27:44 PM PST by MarMema
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To: RusIvan
ping
49 posted on 02/12/2004 11:28:20 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Mr. Mojo
Of course ABC news is a completely non-socialist organization in whom we can all put our trust.
50 posted on 02/12/2004 11:29:00 PM PST by MarMema
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To: RussianConservative; belmont_mark
Belmont had to run for now, his medications were running out and his supply of tinfoil was very low.
51 posted on 02/12/2004 11:30:51 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
You do know, I assume, that Gogol was a brilliant satirist. I have everything he wrote and favor him just slightly over Dostoevsky.

Yes, Gogol was a brilliant satirist. But his human compassion is amazing. I do love Gogol, but Dostoevsky is my favorite of all writers!

52 posted on 02/12/2004 11:33:29 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
How funny. Usually Catholics are not fond of Feodor.
Have you read Brothers Karamazov?
53 posted on 02/12/2004 11:35:42 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Finalapproach29er
trust, BUT VERIFY

Very true...and President Bush didn't roll over when Putin argued against removing Saddam Hussein. The fact that Putin and President Bush have friendly relationship is a far cry from 30 years ago when the two leaders hated each other.

54 posted on 02/12/2004 11:36:38 PM PST by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: Finalapproach29er

55 posted on 02/12/2004 11:37:04 PM PST by gipper81
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To: MarMema
Dead Souls is so funny that I often had tears rolling down my cheeks. Gogol could make you laugh, even in the midst of tragic circumstances. Definitely part of the Russianness of it. I don't know if other people did, but I laughed out reading Crime and Punishment.
56 posted on 02/12/2004 11:37:23 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: MarMema
Please forgive me, MarMema, I'm just an old Cold War Warrior who naturally distrust things, Very Best FReegards, Defender2 D2
57 posted on 02/12/2004 11:38:47 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: COEXERJ145
Russia was unfree, now it isn't, big improvement. Status and attention and big militaries aren't worth a tuppenny damn on their own. They are means. If you are already free and they help keep you that way, fine they are nice to have. If you aren't and they keep you *that* way, they are a curse.
58 posted on 02/12/2004 11:41:59 PM PST by JasonC
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To: nickcarraway
I guess for me too much of it is true and sad, as I tend to want Russia to be more glorious and perfect. Gogol always showed the uglier side of life there, with his satire of course, but nonetheless, so true to life. Some of it even still, today, true.

I really only found The Inspector General to be funny.

59 posted on 02/12/2004 11:42:27 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Defender2
You don't need to be forgiven at all, D. This trust, but verify stuff was nothing more than a cute soundbite. We never trusted those guys to begin with.
60 posted on 02/12/2004 11:44:01 PM PST by gipper81
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