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Bush Finds Party Faithful In an Ugly Mood
WSJ ^ | 2/12/04 | JACKIE CALMES

Posted on 02/12/2004 5:25:17 AM PST by TomServo

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:51:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON -- For all the attention paid to partisanship in this town, the more interesting -- and consequential -- fights here in this election year will pit Republicans against Republicans.

A new level of tension is emerging between President Bush and the congressional Republicans he expects to deliver his election-year agenda. Among the sore points, Mr. Bush's initiative to give legal status to immigrant workers who are here illegally, a bid to attract Latino voters, instead has roiled the party's conservative faithful. Republicans have been put on the defensive over the President's policies on Iraq. And record deficits and spending suddenly have Republicans questioning his fiscal stewardship.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; aliens; bush; conservatives; gop; gwb2004
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To: RockyMtnMan
i also rationalize that bush doesn't need my paltry contribution(he hass 200 million sitting in his campaign coffers).
i certainly don't have access and i refuse to encourage some of his hideous policies. i just don't understand him anymore.
141 posted on 02/12/2004 9:21:10 AM PST by contessa machiaveli
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To: KantianBurke
You mean like what His Slickness does to Her Thighness.
142 posted on 02/12/2004 9:23:58 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: Dane
Why should he have to? Its his country.
143 posted on 02/12/2004 9:25:17 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: RockyMtnMan
Let's see, in 2000 I lived in LA and couln't own a gun, taxes were too high, illegal immigration was out of control, abortion was legal, the government spend too much money, and I perceived our Civil Liberties to be at risk.

So, I got in the car, spend 30 minutes looking for a place to park, and voted for a conservate Republican. George W. Bush to be precise.

Today, I live in LA. I can't own a gun, taxes are too high, illegal immigration is out of control (and is now being rewarded), abortion is legal, the government spends even more money, and our Civil Liberties are at even greater risk than in 2000 (Patriot Act(s)).

So, the only real reason i'm supposed to go out, spend 30 minutes looking for parking, and pull the lever for George W. Bush again is because Saddam Hussein is out of power.

I guess that's just going to have to be good enough. If I were to do anything else, I would be a raving left-wing liberal loonie. At least that's what they tell me.

144 posted on 02/12/2004 9:26:24 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: sauropod
If pills were sold the same price across the board, then the cost of R&D for new medical products would be spread across the board too.

It's actually already spread to you. They call them "Federal Grants" ... but basically they just get a cut of your paycheck to develop the drugs the turn around and sell to you at 10,000% markup.

When you are forced to fund the private companies, it ain't capitalism anymore.

145 posted on 02/12/2004 9:28:36 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: snooker
"I think the pills for grandma is a good idea actually. I have relatives which can't afford the drugs they need."

Someone once said that if we want to reclaim our rights, we must first reclaim our responsibilities.
146 posted on 02/12/2004 9:29:58 AM PST by Tauzero
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Hi Mr. Kettle. I'm Mr. Pot. You're Black.
147 posted on 02/12/2004 9:31:25 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: Dane
Good job paying attention to what promted that comment.
148 posted on 02/12/2004 9:33:13 AM PST by briant
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To: Dave S
"Single issue" people are good folks. Just because it may not be *your* issue is no reason to be snide.
149 posted on 02/12/2004 9:34:08 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: contessa machiaveli
Precisely how i feel about it.
150 posted on 02/12/2004 9:35:53 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: veronica
So, if we don't vote for a man with no respect for our boarders we are traitors?
151 posted on 02/12/2004 9:36:48 AM PST by briant
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To: Stu Cohen
Then perhaps I don't understand how drugs are developed.

Think about this. Suppose that there is an illness that affects 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000 people. At what point does a company decide that it is not in its economic self-interest to develop a drug that combats a disease that only affects x number of people?

Wouldn't that be where "Federal Grants" are necessary?

More generally, (pick your discipline), government has to step in and fund or help fund R&D precisely because it is not focused on the profit motive.

152 posted on 02/12/2004 9:41:27 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: sauropod
Wouldn't that be where "Federal Grants" are necessary?

If it is completely non-profit and for no other motive than saving lives ... sure.

More generally, (pick your discipline), government has to step in and fund or help fund R&D precisely because it is not focused on the profit motive.

But, they are always focused on the profit motive. A company is not going to develop anything that they know they will take a loss on. They will just jack up the price to the point that it is profitable.

So, you have been forced to invest in a company, that turns around and makes a profit on your investment, without sharing the profits with you.

153 posted on 02/12/2004 9:46:20 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: miloklancy
Republicans need to be focused on the disasterous consequences of Bush losing the election.

Such as the Republican party returning to conservatism, maybe?

154 posted on 02/12/2004 9:47:31 AM PST by templar
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To: sauropod
Wouldn't that be where "Federal Grants" are necessary?

If it is completely non-profit and for no other motive than saving lives ... sure.

More generally, (pick your discipline), government has to step in and fund or help fund R&D precisely because it is not focused on the profit motive.

But, they are always focused on the profit motive. A company is not going to develop anything that they know they will take a loss on. They will just jack up the price to the point that it is profitable.

So, you have been forced to invest in a company, that turns around and makes a profit on your investment, without sharing the profits with you.

155 posted on 02/12/2004 9:48:37 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: Stu Cohen
Should she have learned the language of the country she immigrated to? YES

She could speak and understand English, but at home she spoke Croatian and gasp read Croatian newspapers. Seems to me you want a language police to make sure that everybody speaks English at home or on the bus.

The French are doing basically the same thing. They are paranoid about English invading France and are almost brownshirt like in their laws about English.

Hey if you want to be like the French, that's your right, but I choose not to follow the French example.

BTW, I am against voting ballots in languages other than English, doing government business in other languages other than English, and the such, but I am not for what I consider your extreme animus against, for the most part hard working people, who speak another language at home.

156 posted on 02/12/2004 9:49:29 AM PST by Dane
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To: RockyMtnMan
"Nothing will dissapoint me more than Bush losing the election, but if he loses it will be because he failed to 'energize' his base."

The only thing worse than failing to "energize" his base is alienating his base.

Clearly, Dubya and his handlers have in their arrogance either underestimated OR discounted the negative impact caused within the true conservative base of proposing blatantly irresponsible fiscal spending and illegal alien/Amnesty policies.

Shouldn't the onus of discontent fall upon HIM?

Why should this onus fall upon those who have the courage to raise the Red Flag, and of whom are merely adhering to the major tenets of traditional GOP Party platform and it's principles?

157 posted on 02/12/2004 9:53:39 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: futureceo31
Illegals are everywhere. We need to stop paying for babies to be born here, medical ect. Every time one is turned in or found they need to be shipped back accross the border. Once they get here no one does anything. We need to take a very hard line towards illegals. Not give them amnesty.
158 posted on 02/12/2004 10:00:42 AM PST by dalebert
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To: Dane
She could speak and understand English, but at home she spoke Croatian and gasp read Croatian newspapers.

Then what's the problem???? If she immigrated here legally, could speak and understand English, and didn't commit any violent crimes or property crims ... WELCOME!!!! Thanks for coming to the United States!

Seems to me you want a language police to make sure that everybody speaks English at home or on the bus.

Well, you're completely wrong.

The French are doing basically the same thing. They are paranoid about English invading France and are almost brownshirt like in their laws about English.

People who live in France should know how to speak French. If they know a second language, I don't see the problem. Maybe they are trying to head off the "Press '1' for French" issue.

BTW, I am against voting ballots in languages other than English, doing government business in other languages other than English, and the such

Completely agree.

but I am not for what I consider your extreme animus against, for the most part hard working people, who speak another language at home.

I don't care what they speak at home. As long as they can speak English when necessary.

159 posted on 02/12/2004 10:01:00 AM PST by Stu Cohen
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To: skinkinthegrass
The War On Terror, like it or not is and will continue to be the central and most critical issue this year.
160 posted on 02/12/2004 10:17:03 AM PST by miloklancy (The biggest problem with the Democrats is that they are in office.)
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