[11th_VA]

Interesting ...

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said.

So, then: nothing's really changed, in other words... right? :)

[txzman]

To John Kerry: 'Bring it On!' He spins so fast you can't tell who's on the seat.

[Delphinium]

young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. "We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control,"

Very interesting. How reliable is this?

[Mike Darancette]

young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

I don't understand how a swift boat commander could be offing so many civilians by himself. Maybe we should be checking Kerry's service record and talking to his commanders.

[leprechaun9]

Several members of the media are tooting John Freakin' Kerry's horn and that the President had better watch out for this accelerating jaugernaut!

This whole last year has been a major pollution of the airwaves by the buffoons "campaigning" for the DEMOCRAP nomination. Surprise, surprise, A DEMOCRAP WILL WIN THE DEMOCRAP NOMINATION! The entire exercise has been supported by the media (as though there was no other news) and the cost of these activities will NOT appear on any of the Financial Disclosure Statements filed with the FEC (Senator Mc Lame please take note!).

[SBprone]

I thought it was Nebraska Sen Bob Kerry who whacked a whole bunch of civvies during his tour. Are they talking about the right Kerry when referring to the Zumwalt quote?

[js1138]

Unfortunately Zumwalt is dead.

[Chris Talk]

If Lt Calley had been a Boston left wing blueblood, instead of a good ole boy from Georgia, he wouldn't have gone to prison, he would have gone to the US Senate.

[There's millions of'em]

Very interesting. I vote to leave it alone until JFK gets the nomination.

[river rat]

" Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets."

I'll bet the farm that you won't see THAT in the New York Times, or on CNNABCMSNBCCBS....

Perhaps Kerry's complaints of war crimes -- was his own self admission, then like a true Democrat pushing the blame on to "Everybody was doing it".....

This %$#%^$## has to go down...

Semper Fi

[Vigilanteman]

Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

I am willing to bet money that, in the unlikely event this ever make it into the mainstream press, it will be brushed over with the ease Clinton shrugged of Gennifer Flowers in 1992.

Kerry's lapdogs in the press will pass it off as either (a)youthful indiscretions or (b)paint him as a traumatized victim whose environment in an immoral war forced him to act that way-- which is why he went overboard as Hanoi Jane's lapdog in denouncing the war after he was discharged. If forced to choose which, I'd pick (b) because it kills two birds with one stone.

I'd rather see Kerry being the nominee than that oleaginous John Edwards.

[Uncle Miltie]

"young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets."

John Kerry's My Lai?

[Jackson Brown]

save

[lady lawyer]

Maybe that's what's in his military records that he doesn't want revealed. If he's allowed to keep them hidden, I give up.

[Petronski]

For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

Sheesh, Kerry sounds like a real psycho.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Kerry interjected Vietnam into the election, now he will reap the whirlwind.

The 8a$tard has came full circle from Nam. He protested and gave aid and comfort to the enenmy then, he now protests the war in iraq and gives aid and comfort to the terrorists who killed 3,000 innocent Americans and are now killing our American fighting men & women. The phony SOB has no shame.

[Grut]

...young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets..."We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control"

I flat don't believe this. If Kerry created problems for his commanders, it would have been many layers below Zumwalt's notice; and those much lower commanders would have had no trouble at all shipping a 'killer' Kerry back to the States ASAP 'for the good of the service'.

[George W. Bush]

I would like to see corroboration that the admiral actually said all this.

It's starting to sound like the flip-side of the Turnipseed flap. The key information here is also not a direct quote. Just like with Turnipseed.

OTOH, I would enjoy it immensely if the admiral did say it and could prove it.

[Finalapproach29er]

He should be asked how many people civilian &military he estimates killed in Vietnam; it might make him freeze up.

How would he answer?

[kabar]

Kerry went to Vietnam to build a resume. Check this out http://www.usssatyr.com/RiverineHistory.htm

Half a dozen independent barrier operations comprised the SEALORDS initiative. The intent was to block a Viet Cong supply flow estimated at 175 to 200 tons per month. The Americans had great success, but their overall impact remained difficult to gauge. In one of the operation's deemed most successful, Giant Slingshot-an attempt to isolate the Parrot's Beak section of Cambodia, phased out in May 1970 after the invasion of that country, an enormous effort was made by fifty or more PBRs. A typical sailor assigned here logged 172 ambush missions during his Vietnam tour. Total seizures in Giant Slingshot came to 150 tons of ammunitions and 400 more of other material, compared to an estimated Viet Cong supply flow (November 1968 to May 1970) of 3,300 to 3,800 tons. Lt. John F. Kerry, a Swift boat commander at Phu Quoc Island in 1968-69, recalls, "You'd randomly stop a boat among the dozens that were going up and down. But for the one or two you stopped, hundreds of others went by, and you knew weapons were slipping by you."