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No Child Left Bahinf
The Salt Lake Tribune ^
| February 5, 2004
| Ronnie Lynn
Posted on 02/10/2004 7:56:01 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: mathluv; conspiratoristo
per our earlier discussion.
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posted on
02/10/2004 10:45:12 AM PST
by
sauropod
(I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
To: mathluv; TheSpottedOwl
Thank you.
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posted on
02/10/2004 10:46:31 AM PST
by
sauropod
(I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
To: conspiratoristo
The problem is THEIR POLITICIANS, it doesn't make any difference on whether their Dems or Republicans. They all want to take the credit for the good and blame the other party for the bad, irregardless of who's fault it actually is.
63
posted on
02/10/2004 11:15:08 AM PST
by
HELLRAISER II
(Give us another tax break Mr. President)
To: conspiratoristo
BTTT
64
posted on
02/10/2004 12:17:53 PM PST
by
Badray
(Make sure that the socialist in the White House has to fight a conservative Congress.)
To: sauropod
You're welcome! I just got off the phone with someone at the high school suggesting that I take advantage of a homeschooling option for ill students. They're sending out the paperwork. His English, social studies, and history papers will kick ass....I'll have my son in law do the math homework.
65
posted on
02/10/2004 12:59:28 PM PST
by
TheSpottedOwl
(Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
To: HELLRAISER II
However what they don't tell you is that even special ed students & foreign kids who don't even speak English are also used in the percentages and that is not fair...I know this for a fact because my wife is a teacher, the Administrators and the Politicians are the only ones to benefit from this fiasco.
I find it necessary to totally disagree with you. My wife is a teacher dealing with dyslexia and reading recovery. According to her the real benefits of testing rose dramatically after exemptions for learning disabilities were removed. The delivery of the test is modified to compensate for the student's specific disability, however they are tested on the material and their results are included in the overall results. Administrators were no longer able to hide problems. Now the problems get addressed and fixed.
66
posted on
02/10/2004 1:24:00 PM PST
by
CMAC51
To: Eva
The schools will just do what Capistrano Valley High School in California used to do when my daughter was a student there. They require 100% attendance, then send all the low performing kids and goof offs to the library to make up the allowable percentage of absentees.
And exactly how will that work if the student has to pass the test to advance to a higher grade level? ...Can't stay in the library forever.
67
posted on
02/10/2004 1:31:14 PM PST
by
CMAC51
To: Ima Lurker
Amen to that. Putting the special ed, non-english speaking AND "troubled" (rotten to the core) kids in regular class rooms only hurts the kids who want to learn and who can learn. It SOUNDS like the politicians and school administrators are doing something to improve schools when in reality it's all smoke and mirrors.
I think you have it backwards. Mainstreaming was a liberal concept inteded to prevent the ego damage from being seperated. It put "special" kids in with everyone else, regardless of outcome. When testing is fully enforced, the tests dictate which students need special circumstances to address their problems, based on quantitative data, rather than qualitative. This inhibits the parents ability to force the school to make exceptions for their students. It inhibits the schools from hiding their problems by placating parents and passing the problem student on to the next victim. Both discipline and performance improve because the parents can't "bully" the test and administrators are ultimately held responsible for performance.
In the short term teachers will take it on the chin. Administrators will try to make them a scape goat rather than addressing the real problems. In the long run the teachers benefit from the improvements that will take place because the testing will hold administrators responsible.
68
posted on
02/10/2004 1:50:29 PM PST
by
CMAC51
To: kacres
you have FRmail
69
posted on
02/10/2004 1:50:44 PM PST
by
eyespysomething
(Another American optimist!)
To: CMAC51
Does each student have to pass the test or is it a composite score that is taken?
70
posted on
02/10/2004 1:55:54 PM PST
by
Eva
To: HELLRAISER II
Testing companies really benefit.
My brother taught ESL. Last year, a kid came off the plane from China who couldn't speak a word of English and my brother had to give him the test a week later.
There is some woman from the fed ed department who was interviewed and claimed that Down's Syndrome kids will be held to the same "high" standard as normal kids.
Meanwhile, schools which don't want to be labeled "persistently dangerous" and really are fudge their statistics or, in the case of NYC, a girl can be raped in a stairwell, but unless the perp held a gun to her head, the school isn't considered "persistently dangerous."
Kids are told they can leave failing schools, but if they are in a failing district, where do they go? Other public schools aren't required to take them.
No Child Left Behind isn't what it's cracked up to be.
71
posted on
02/10/2004 2:03:23 PM PST
by
ladylib
To: martin_fierro
No Child Left Bahinf
You're not supposed to smoke that Pot of Gold.
Actually, you're supposed to SHARE!
72
posted on
02/10/2004 2:06:22 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: HELLRAISER II
The Students dictate what work they will do and what their grades will be by having their parents come up to the school and threaten to sue the school if their child is not passed to the next grade.
So? Let them threaten. I assume the district has a lawyer on retainer . . . if not, what are those school district fees for? (I mean, I'm paying 'em, and I have no children.)
73
posted on
02/10/2004 2:08:32 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: HELLRAISER II
How can you judge the teachers when the students aren't required to do anything? That is until this test is given and then they can't do simple arithmetic & basic Science and English. Then all the sudden it's the teachers fault.
I can judge the students and the teachers PLENTY, because I got to teach 'em after the teachers got rid of 'em. I taught freshmen in college, and I was appalled at how many lacked eighth-grade reading proficiency.
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posted on
02/10/2004 2:09:56 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: Agnes Heep
Actually, you can bet that no child will be allowed to get ahead, regardless of ability, enthusiasm, etc.
75
posted on
02/10/2004 2:10:20 PM PST
by
Little Ray
(Why settle for a Lesser Evil? Vote Cthuhlu for President!)
To: leprechaun9
Something tells me you were left behind.
76
posted on
02/10/2004 2:10:51 PM PST
by
TomServo
("Why does the most evil man in the world live in a Stuckeys?")
To: Ima Lurker
. Putting the special ed, non-english speaking AND "troubled" (rotten to the core) kids in regular class rooms only hurts the kids who want to learn and who can learn.
Not at all true, in the case of non-English speakers. Ever hear of immersion? Best way to learn a language.
77
posted on
02/10/2004 2:11:42 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: HELLRAISER II
But now the only thing anybody worries about is making sure that Special Ed & less educated children are put into main stream classrooms.
Mainstreaming special ed and "foundation" students is a horrible idea. Who ever thought that would work has obviously never spent time in a classroom victimized by mainstreaming.
78
posted on
02/10/2004 2:13:14 PM PST
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: HELLRAISER II
I have all the results of the NJ statewide testing for the 4th, 8th, and 11th grades for several years. The results are in three classifications: Regular, Special Ed, and Limited English Proficiency.
The results in each classification are grouped into three levels: I, II, and III with I being the highest. Level III is below the state minimum standard (or to be politically correct, they are partially proficient!)
For example, for the 4th grade, there are 1308 public schools with a 4th grade. The students are "assessed" (politically incorrect to test) in Language Arts, Mathematics, and Science.
The first year that the test was given, the best school in the state (across all income and education levels) had 11% of their Regular students in Level I for the three skills (and it was the only school in the entire state to be in double figures). There were more than 1100 schools that had 0% of their students so grouped.
With each passing year, the results are improving but no where near the expectations for the $Billions of taxpayer money that is expended each year.
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posted on
02/10/2004 2:45:26 PM PST
by
leprechaun9
(Beware of little expenses because a small leak will sink a great ship!)
To: Eva
Does each student have to pass the test or is it a composite score that is taken?
I am speaking here for Texas, which much of the Federal bill was modeled after. There are benchmark grades that the child must pass the test in order to proceed to the next grade. Third and fifth grade in elementary, I believe the 8th, and then they can start taking the high school exam in the 10th grade and have to pass it by the time they graduate. Testing is done at the other grade levels, but it is for diagnostic purposes, identifying needs, not for promotion to the next grade.
80
posted on
02/10/2004 2:46:21 PM PST
by
CMAC51
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