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1 posted on 02/10/2004 4:49:27 AM PST by The G Man
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BUMPaRoo!
99 posted on 02/10/2004 7:26:08 AM PST by jmstein7
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-- a period when his commanders have said he did not appear for duty at bases in Montgomery, Ala., and Houston

In Montgomery, Bush was supposed to do periodic drills with another Guard unit. But its commander has said Bush never appeared.

False, false, false.

100 posted on 02/10/2004 7:26:35 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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The truth is, Guard and Reserve service has, over the years, varied widely in the degree of rigor required. I grew up in a small town in Southern Indiana that had an active Guard company that got to drive tanks in parades, which seemed pretty cool to us sprouts. I have no idea how hard they trained -- hard training was a sometimes thing in the National Guard of that era -- but they sure rattled the windows on parade.

We also had an Air Force Reserve component that mustered periodically for drill at each other's houses, the "drill" consisting mainly of playing cards. These were all WWII veterans who were playing out the string and were not going to be recalled for anything short of WWIII, and then only to polish paper clips.

A lot depended on where you were and the status of your unit. Things got a bit loose at the end of the Vietnam era. I've always supposed that W, once he decided he wasn't staying in, probably skated by with the minimum required in a somewhat lax environment. Did his duty and moved on.

The military was, at the time, undergoing a significant RIF, and there has never been any shortage of guys who want to fly jets. I don't suppose anybody was particularly interested in wringing the last ounce of sweat from young George. Better to save the flying hours for someone who wanted them.

I gather things have tightened up considerably since then. Different era, different army.

127 posted on 02/10/2004 7:47:16 AM PST by sphinx
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To: The G Man
But, but, but, I was in Vietnam. Signed Catsup Kerry.
137 posted on 02/10/2004 8:00:57 AM PST by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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Bump!
138 posted on 02/10/2004 8:11:37 AM PST by The Mayor (Be steadfast, immovable, . . . knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.)
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To: The G Man
The commander of the Alabama unit has said Bush did not appear for duty at his assigned unit there.

In Montgomery, Bush was supposed to do periodic drills with another Guard unit. But its commander has said Bush never appeared.

Both statements are False! On Feb 4, 2004, General Turnipseed stated, "I don't know if [Bush] showed up, I don't know if he didn't. I don't remember how often I was even at the base." Maybe Robinson did not get the news in time for his Feb 10th column.

140 posted on 02/10/2004 8:15:48 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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See, Bush never even has to raise his voice to make the dems look bad. He is one cool pilot. I trust Bush to know what he is doing at all times. He is my leader.
143 posted on 02/10/2004 8:20:58 AM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: Pubbie; ambrose; Torie
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162 posted on 02/10/2004 9:03:06 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: The G Man
It is appalling to watch the GOP "RESPOND" to the LEFTISTS candidates and the Socialist media as "THEY" set the agenda and define the relavent issues. Sickening to watch!
168 posted on 02/10/2004 9:29:39 AM PST by PISANO (u)
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To: visualops
ping for self
169 posted on 02/10/2004 9:34:34 AM PST by visualops (I'm still trying to figure out why kamikaze pilots wore helmets.)
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If this was true, why didn't it come out last election? This is pure Bravo Sierra.
170 posted on 02/10/2004 9:39:42 AM PST by Indie (Hello boys! I'm baaaack!)
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It won't be enough.

Next they will want video footage of him serving his duty.

If that somehow gets produced, they will demand a time machine so they can go back and see for themselves.
176 posted on 02/10/2004 10:01:23 AM PST by hirn_man
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it is magnanimity of largest sort for the President of the United States, especially this one, to be bothered to respond to the sniping of fleas on his ankle about his past military service.

As a matter of fact, his present military service, as Commander and Chief of United States Armed Forces, is exemplary, in my opinion, and will be remembered by history as among the wisest and most effective.

195 posted on 02/10/2004 10:15:02 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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"No explanation has been offered for how the document was torn or why an undamaged copy was not available in 2000."

Because nobody remembers how it got damaged and it was damaged prior to 2000. Duh.

This isn't going to go away people. This is the Rockefellar memo at work.

217 posted on 02/10/2004 11:06:54 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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bump
221 posted on 02/10/2004 11:21:09 AM PST by GOPJ (NFL Fatcats: Grown men don't watch hollywood strip shows with wives and children.)
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The Democrat Party owes President Bush a very public apology. They've been lying (again) right to the face of the American people since before 2000.
235 posted on 02/10/2004 11:50:53 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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bump for later
237 posted on 02/10/2004 12:02:08 PM PST by wewillnotfail (I am not a socialist but I play one on DU.)
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A question of service - Unsigned editorial in the Commercial Appeal, Memphis, from their new editorial page editor.

February 10, 2004

THE QUESTION of George Bush's National Guard service did not really come up in the 2000 presidential race, perhaps because both candidates were sons of privilege and it was in the interest of neither to raise it.

With John Kerry, a decorated war hero, likely to be the Democratic nominee, it will be an issue in this campaign. Indeed, Democratic surrogates have already made it an issue with party chairman Terry McAuliffe accusing Bush of being "AWOL in the Alabama National Guard: He didn't show up when he should have."

It is an ugly charge that should be squarely rebutted. Partisanship aside, when the President is asking extraordinary sacrifice of members of the military, including the Guard, it is fair to ask how well he himself served the nation.

Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, jumping a waiting list to do so, according to published accounts, and qualified as a pilot. In 1972, he transferred to the Alabama Air National Guard so he could work on a Senate campaign. But there is no record that he ever reported for duty as required during the eight months he was in Alabama. During that time he lost his pilot's status for missing a physical exam.

Bush had an opportunity to address this gap in his military resume during his hour-long interview with NBC's Tim Russert, and his sketchy response must have surely dismayed his supporters.

After briefly making the point that he had been honorably discharged, the President told Russert: "I would be careful not to denigrate the Guard." It was a crude way of trying to change the subject since no one had.

He went on to say that the phantom criticism of the Guard was off-base because there are "a lot of really fine people who served in the National Guard ..." Surely, Bush could have remembered some of them from Alabama, or at least a few anecdotes about his service there.

Bush insisted he did "show up in Alabama," but the question was not whether he was in the state but whether he did any Guard service while there.

Russert asked if Bush would authorize the release of "pay stubs, tax records, anything to show that you were serving during that period?"

Bush's response was again not terribly reassuring: "Yeah, if we still have them ..."

Surely with all the resources at George Bush's disposal the question of whether he did or did not show up for Guard service in Alabama can be settled quickly and definitively.




My letter in response:

To the Commercial Appeal, Memphis

I had hoped that the change in the heading of your editorial page would signal an improvement in the quality of the content below, but this has not been the case at all. The Tuesday editorial about the President's service record is a striking example of the laziness and intellectual laxity that have become your new and shameful hallmarks.

You have published unsupported rumors and allegations as fact, and ignored the researched and documented findings of other organizations that have already done what you failed to do, such as research or fact finding, that is the proper responsibility of the news organization you claim to be. Instead, you hide behind your deliberate ignorance in order to propagate three false charges against a President you dislike.

First, he received his guard appointment because he agreed to pilot training, which required both qualification and commitment to over a year of active duty training, which others ahead of him on the waiting list did not do.

Second, his early discharge to attend college was a common occurrence, not some kind of special favor to the son of a congressman. Also, by that time the F102's he flew were being phased out, and he would have needed retraining and requalification to continue flying for the few months of service he had left.

Third, and the heart of the matter, concerns his reporting for assigned duty in Alabama. Some - like you, lacking the courage to make the accusation - have passed along anonymous accusations of the President shirking his service in Alabama. National Guard service is a SECOND job, except during activation, and accomodation to civilian activity is normal and unexceptional. Guardsmen are paid for days present at either the regular drills or makeup drills, which are also common. Points are awarded for attendance, and credit for service is based on accumulating sufficient points. The President's honorable discharge is sufficient evidence of completion of his obligation, but more recent evidence is even more compelling.

For that, you might have perused the Associated Press story published on your own web site on the same day, indicating, "The pay information (released) documented the dates when Bush showed up for Guard duty", and "You are paid for the (specific) dates you served."

An apology from you - and from others who have chosen to engage in this innuendo - would be welcome and refreshing, although totally unexpected. You established a pettern in your equally dishonest editorial about Judge Pickering, and I suppose we can expect no better from you in the future.

That is too bad - for Memphis, and for you.
260 posted on 02/10/2004 1:18:18 PM PST by MainFrame65
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The press was wrong about Bush. As usual!
269 posted on 02/10/2004 1:51:50 PM PST by Sol_Invictus
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bump
285 posted on 02/10/2004 7:52:25 PM PST by GOPJ (NFL Fatcats: Grown men don't watch hollywood strip shows with wives and children.)
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