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SENIOR GAY COUPLES FACE UNIQUE HARDSHIPS
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Posted on 02/06/2004 6:47:14 AM PST by NativeNewYorker

Gloria Bailey and Linda Davies laugh when they recall singing The Beatles' ``When I'm 64'' to one another when they fell in love as closeted social workers in Massachusetts.

Looking back, they say their younger selves could never have imagined they'd one day be openly gay, let alone one of the seven high-profile couples who persuaded Massachusetts' top court to rule they can marry beginning May 17.

But just as unfathomable, the couple of 32 years says, is that they'd ever be 64.

Growing old seemed to Linda and Gloria like something other people did. Or, more specifically, something older people did. But Gloria turns 64 next year and Linda is not far behind at 58.

``I'm happy to say I still love her,'' Linda says, breaking off to sing a few lines from the old Beatles tune. ``But the years have gone by too fast.''

With the years came a vacation home on Cape Cod, a fishing boat called the Glory B and a four-wheeler they drive along the beach. But also came Linda's double hip replacement, Gloria's high cholesterol and blood pressure, and membership in the AARP.

When the nation's top advocacy groups for seniors think of the folks they're representing, Gloria and Linda probably aren't the first faces that come to mind. But as a new report by the Human Rights Campaign shows from Census Bureau data, at least one out of every 10 gay couples includes someone 65 or older, and nearly one in four same-sex couples includes someone 55 or older. The Stonewall generation is, well, now part of the Viagra generation.

And because older gay couples' relationships aren't recognized by the federal government, they face unique hardships right at the time they're experiencing the health and financial challenges that come with aging, HRC notes. Unlike with married heterosexuals, a surviving gay partner is unable to receive survivor Social Security benefits, which works out to be an average loss of $5,528 each year.

A surviving gay partner also faces a big tax bill on an inherited retirement plan - 401(k) or individual retirement account - and even on a jointly owned home.

And if one older gay partner needs Medicaid assistance to enter a nursing home, the couple can be forced to sell their home in order to qualify financially. (See the report at www.hrc.org/.)

These hardships on older Americans solely because they're gay are simply unacceptable. That's far from a radical statement: 62 percent of Americans said in a Gallup Poll last May that same-sex couples should have equal ``health care benefits and Social Security survivor benefits.'' They felt that way even without fully understanding the heart-breaking financial consequences of current law on older gays.

The nation's top seniors groups could make a huge difference by adding their clout to the push to end this shameful treatment of a segment of America's elders. As the second-largest senior group, the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, rightly notes on its Web site: ``Congress and the White House listen when the National Committee speaks.''

Those of us who want gay elders protected need to encourage the AARP and the National Committee to throw their considerable clout into erasing inequities.

The National Committee can be reached at 10 G St., NE, Suite 600, Washington, DC 20002, or through its Web site at www.ncpssm.org/. The AARP can be contacted at 601 E St., NW, Washington, DC 20049, or through its Web site at www.aarp.org/.

Linda and Gloria look forward to the marriage certificate that will put them under the umbrella of state law protecting married couples. But until Congress changes federal law, the couple's marriage won't give them access to federal safety nets available to their heterosexual counterparts.

If Congress won't listen to its gay elders, perhaps it would listen to the advocacy groups whose mission it is to ensure no senior is left behind.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: consequences; counterfeit; fraud; fraudmarriage; gays; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; iamavictim; iwantmoney; oldandqueer; redefiningmarriage; romans1; sin; socialist; theoppressed; vicenotvirture
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1 posted on 02/06/2004 6:47:15 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
So say two brothers are old widowers or two sisters are old widows, etc. etc., they could always have a queer, "marry" and get all sorts of bennies. Excellent.
2 posted on 02/06/2004 6:52:10 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: NativeNewYorker
HARDSHIPS?

We, ALL of us don't know the MEANING of hardship. Let these people go through what our parents and grandparents went through in the 30's and THEN they can tell us about their 'hardships'. Oh brother.

BWWWAAAAHHHHH!!!My microwave is broken, my cable went out and the government WON'T replace them for me!!! I'm under SUCH duress!!!! BWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAHHHAAA!!!
3 posted on 02/06/2004 6:54:27 AM PST by JustPlainJoe
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To: NativeNewYorker
Do you know how long the presstitute had to look to find lesbians who have been hanging out together for this long? This represents a very small percentage of a very small percentage, to be sure. All in an attempt to "normalize" that which isn't.
4 posted on 02/06/2004 6:55:33 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: jjm2111
Getting married for benefits = fraud.
5 posted on 02/06/2004 6:59:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Just think of all the years they did not pay the "marriage tax"
6 posted on 02/06/2004 7:00:39 AM PST by 2banana
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To: NativeNewYorker
With the years came a vacation home on Cape Cod, a fishing boat called the Glory B and a four-wheeler they drive along the beach.

Not too shabby for social worker salaries.
7 posted on 02/06/2004 7:00:44 AM PST by over3Owithabrain (I'll leave the "fishing boat" comments for someone else)
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To: Sacajaweau
We're here and we're queer. Deal with it. </sarcasm>
8 posted on 02/06/2004 7:01:04 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: All
What it really sounds like is they're both counting on the demise of the other and making out.
9 posted on 02/06/2004 7:01:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: jjm2111
So say two brothers are old widowers or two sisters are old widows, etc. etc., they could always have a queer, "marry" and get all sorts of bennies. Excellent.

There is an old saying in the Gay community...,"Nobody loves an old fag." I'm sure the "old saying" wouldn't have sprung up if there wasn't some truth to it..

10 posted on 02/06/2004 7:02:30 AM PST by AnHoa1967
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To: over3Owithabrain
Not too shabby for social worker salaries.

No kids and no marriage penalty will do that.

11 posted on 02/06/2004 7:03:41 AM PST by NativeNewYorker ( Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Couldn't they establish a trust, and deed their possessions to the trust - both of them being beneficiaries of the trust?
12 posted on 02/06/2004 7:04:20 AM PST by NotQuiteCricket
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To: NotQuiteCricket
There are workarounds, yes. I'm told they're a big hassle. And they don't make a political statement.
13 posted on 02/06/2004 7:06:06 AM PST by NativeNewYorker ( Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: over3Owithabrain
My thoughts exactly.
14 posted on 02/06/2004 7:10:44 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (Beware: the Chip is pissed.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
they face unique hardships right at the time they're experiencing the health and financial challenges that come with aging,

Excuse me but given the fact that queers are so high risk for physical and mental health problems, I seriously doubt old age is when most of them are experiencing health problems and the financial difficulties that go with them. What we are looking at is collectively funding the gay community each time someone dies of AIDS.

Of the many other scenerios, one of the second biggest public expenses will be in the area of mental health. When a homosexual gets despressed and cannot work, should we be forced to support his butt-buddy and whatever unlucky child HHS placed with the pair? I mean, I can live with the counseling they already qualify for (I do not like providing that for anyone, to be honest), but extending benefits to their imaginary family is asking too much.

15 posted on 02/06/2004 7:13:06 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Queers.. a dying breed. Endangered species?
16 posted on 02/06/2004 7:22:22 AM PST by dc-zoo
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To: NativeNewYorker
That's far from a radical statement: 62 percent of Americans said in a Gallup Poll last May that same-sex couples should have equal ``health care benefits and Social Security survivor benefits.''

Privatize Social Security and shift health care away from third party payer to a market oriented, voucherized system, and these problems take care of themselves.

So many of these stupid little policy quarrels arise from collectivist arrangements that make government the arbiter of what should be our private arrangements. The same point applies in spades to the schools.

17 posted on 02/06/2004 7:26:24 AM PST by sphinx
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To: NativeNewYorker
Oh, the humanity!

"Old age brings hardships, Homosexuals and Minorities hardest hit!"
18 posted on 02/06/2004 7:29:05 AM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: NativeNewYorker
A surviving gay partner [or children, or siblings, or friends, or charity] also faces a big tax bill on an inherited retirement plan - 401(k) or individual retirement account - and even on a jointly owned home.

Sounds like an argument against the death tax.

19 posted on 02/06/2004 7:30:29 AM PST by KarlInOhio (A populist is someone who has to pawn his "Dogs playing poker", not mortgage his Renoirs.)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
There are all kinds of legal ways to do these things. It's a farce. This isn't about "love", it's about MONEY.
20 posted on 02/06/2004 7:30:50 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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