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States to Massachusetts court: We don't think so!
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, February 6, 2004

Posted on 02/06/2004 5:23:53 AM PST by JohnHuang2

States to Massachusetts court: We don't think so!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: February 6, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

True lunacy has broken out in Massachusetts. The State Judicial Supreme Court of Massachusetts has declared civil unions are not enough – this state must allow homosexual marriage. In doing so, the court has lurched to the farthest extreme any set of justices has ever dared to go. At the same time, the implications are alarming average families and perhaps waking a voting public like never before.

But a good question to ask is: Why? Why would the court say that "marriage" itself must be the bar that is set?

In my mind, the matter of civil unions for homosexual couples is something that seems far less "sanctified" and in terms of legal options for groups of people – the president is probably right on this – it should be a matter for each state to decide. In all actuality, people have been able to arrange "civil unions" for years to be able to determine property issues, custody rights, financial arrangements etc.

How many of us know of a family who has added a relative's name to a dying person's bank records, or acquired "power of attorney" or "guardian" status for people who are in need of additional legal or emotional support? While these don't fully meet the measure of what most civil-union laws allow, my point is simple. With attorneys in tow, anyone can arrange almost anything in terms of a civil agreement as to how one's property, finances, even hospital visitation or inheritance is to be allocated. Hence "civil unions" have always existed.

So why does the court in Massachusetts insist on "marriage" for gay couples?

Though the activists will never say it, the true purpose is to gain "sanctity" for immoral sexual behavior. There is a guilty conscience among people who participate in homosexual activities. In America, there is a collective guilty conscience nationwide about the amount of such behavior that continues to be encouraged.

The activists will tell you the reason for the guilt is because of the collective prejudice shown in the legal system and among people who disagree with the morality of homosexual behavior. They will tell you that a provincial society has caused their great inner pain for not allowing them to act out in any way they see fit.

This is absurd! No one is monitoring what anybody does behind their bedroom doors. Nor do I believe that constitutionally anybody should be. Yet despite the fact that no one is, the guilt remains. Thus the need for "sanctification."

Though few of the homosexual people I know are actively pursuing a meaningful life of faith or attend church, there still lives this desire for their place of worship to not be allowed to criticize homosexual behavior. Hence when they hear from a pastor that the Bible says that there are many forms of sinful sexual behavior and homosexuality is only one among them, they become defensive. It is not unlike the man who is secretly viewing pornography, or a wife who is having a secret affair. Folks who are engaged in immoral choices have little tolerance for hearing about how their choices are indeed immoral.

Ah, but if a state were to give "sanctity" to an otherwise "immoral" activity then there is no need to worry about what that church says anymore. In fact, if the right hate-crime laws are passed then maybe ... just perhaps ... we can shut down those voices who say such things all together.

The presidential candidates have been watching the Massachusetts case.

Leading Democratic front-runner John Kerry said yesterday, "I believe and have fought for the principle that we should protect the fundamental rights of gay and lesbian couples." And it should come as no surprise that John Kerry is the "favored son" of his home state that is strongly advancing the homosexual marriage march.

President George W. Bush responded, "Our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage, and if necessary, I will support a constitutional amendment which would honor marriage between a man and a woman, [and] codify that."

To date, states have been responding to the potential reality of Massachusetts goal of having homosexual marriages occurring by mid-May. In this past week, Ohio passed the strongest ban on homosexual "marriage" by any state. And in recent days, the state of Illinois has seen three different measures introduced into the state legislature to strengthen traditional marriage. Rick Garcia, a leading "gay" activist in Illinois responded by calling those who introduced such measures as "bigots".

For many Americans the idea of a constitutional amendment defining marriage is the only sure-fire protection against the ever growing pressure for at least one state somewhere to codify homosexual "marriage." And the numbers seem favorable for this to happen. Thirty-eight states are required for a constitutional amendment. Thirty-eight states have already defined marriage in their state as involving one man and one woman. Fourteen states have already introduced legislation to create a constitutional amendment protecting marriage.

No doubt this will be an issue in the 2004 elections and Americans will remember that John Kerry is Massachusetts' very own while President Bush believes strongly in the value of traditional marriage.

The question is: Will you?


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2004; gwb2004; homosexualagenda; kerry; massachusettsliberal; prisoners; protectmarriage; samesexmarriage
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To: Sacajaweau
"Hate to one up but I have the ultimate immoral Senator here in New York."

Yeah, you have yourself a real winner there too! I don't know... Hillary is terrifying in a Stalinist/Maoist sort of way... I guess that is worse than the sheer ridiculousness and folly of our Senators (although one of ours is a murderer... Beat that! Neener neener neener! )

21 posted on 02/06/2004 6:36:04 AM PST by Dalan
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To: Gefreiter
"In perpetually impoverished western MA, Kerry is not particularly well liked. Nor Kennedy, who once described Springfield as on the NY border... no one in charge on Boston has any clue what people need out here, let alone,as in Kennedy's case, where "here" is. "

Absolutely true. I grew up in southwestern MA; it's like a totally different state. I now live in north central MA - closer to, but still not in the thick of, the PC socialist engine of Boston. But the stench is much stronger here...

22 posted on 02/06/2004 6:39:53 AM PST by Dalan
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To: usurper; counterpunch
lol...me too.

That's great, counterpunch- thanks for the a.m. laugh!
23 posted on 02/06/2004 6:46:12 AM PST by SoKatt
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To: SoKatt; usurper; Dalan
Thanks. :D

It's supposed to be a take-off on romance novels. I hope that wasn't lost on anyone.

I've got more goodies on my user page, if you want to check out some of my other work.
24 posted on 02/06/2004 7:02:58 AM PST by counterpunch (click my name to check out my 'toons!)
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To: Dalan
FOSTER........neener neener neener.....Mine is just more clever than yours.
25 posted on 02/06/2004 7:04:59 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: White Eagle
Let's look at another bit...disability...Many have aids and are collecting.
26 posted on 02/06/2004 7:07:11 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: JohnHuang2
While I agree something must be done, we have to be very careful about this Constitutional amendment thing. Not the amendment per se, but the fact that to enact it, a Constitutional Convention must be held.

There is nothing in constitutional law, or case law (to the best of my knowledge), that can restrict a ConCon to one issue. Unless great care is taken, and mighty political force brought to bear constantly and consistently, this could end up a disasterous Trojan horse.

As we all know, there are a great many forces out there that would salivate (uncontrollably!) at the prospect of a ConCon that they could hijack for their own nefarious purposes.

If we do go down this road, then now, more than ever, will eternal vigilance be required.

Be careful, my friends. We are entering dangerous times...

CA....

27 posted on 02/06/2004 7:14:10 AM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: Sacajaweau
"FOSTER........neener neener neener.....Mine is just more clever than yours."

Oh yes! Touche. I guess I must concede the superior evilness of your Senator. *sigh*

Well, mine is fatter! (barely)

28 posted on 02/06/2004 7:19:24 AM PST by Dalan
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To: Dalan
>> Hilarious! Gawd, how awful it is to be a Massachusetts resident. Those two pieces of scum are "my" Senators!

>> Oh, the humiliation.

You better leave MA before they build the wall to keep you in. You better hurry. I won't tell you where to go. If I did, the people of that state may be upset with me. Look for a state that has low or no taxes, allows you to own a gun, carry it, and use it. A state that has no queer congressmen. A state that doesn't have murdering Senator. A state that doesn't have a anti-American, Hanoi Jane American Traitor B$itch loving Senator. A state that doesn't have a baseball team, or one that doesn't choke. Most important, a state where the people would not torrerate all of these things.
29 posted on 02/06/2004 7:24:10 AM PST by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: PattonReincarnated
You better leave MA before they build the wall to keep you in. You better hurry.

Not really practical for me right now.

Actually, this may be just the sort of thing Massachusetts needs. We aren't all Cambridge socialist intellectuals, you know. Somehow, this state has cultivated a political environment that has anesthetized the general populace.

But we did elect Mitt Romney, and came very, very close to repealing our state income tax in '02. Perhaps this state is waking up? I encourage the rest of the country to focus its wrath like a laser beam upon Massachusetts. It's therapeutic.

30 posted on 02/06/2004 7:38:38 AM PST by Dalan
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To: Dalan
Well, we know yours floats....and swims...away....alone.

Have a good day. It's been fun!

31 posted on 02/06/2004 7:39:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: StonyBurk
I liked your post so much I sent it over to Howie Carr and hope he reads it, since his show today will be on Gay mariage and your arguement is right on target.
Moore was thrown out for his stand on the 10 Commandments, the Supremes in Sodomassachusetts should be put out of their "JOBS" for the same reason.
I live in the Peoples Republic of Sodomassachusetts,
Sad, Sad, Sad State.
32 posted on 02/06/2004 7:45:25 AM PST by chatham
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To: drc43
I doubt whether any amendment to the Constitution will protect marriage.

You're correct. I do support an amendment, but it's probably an utter waste of time. This is a country that has shoved God, and His principles upon which the country was founded, aside. As a result, the moral fabric is unraveling, now at a manic pace. It's only gonna get worse from here on out. That's reality.

MM

33 posted on 02/06/2004 7:57:11 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: JohnHuang2
Question: If the States have to recognize Massachusetts homosexual marriages because of the "full faith and credit" provision of the U.S. Constitution, then does Massachusetts have to recognize my state issued permit to carry a concealed weapon?
34 posted on 02/06/2004 8:09:06 AM PST by A. Patriot
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To: Chances Are
...the fact that to enact it, a Constitutional Convention must be held.

Not so:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution,...which,... shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress...

—The U.S. Constitution, Article V

In fact, there has never been a second constitutional convention; all of the amendments have been passed by acts of Congress, ratified by three-fourths of the states.

35 posted on 02/06/2004 8:09:23 AM PST by xsysmgr
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To: JohnHuang2
^
36 posted on 02/06/2004 8:12:05 AM PST by jla
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

More on the state of Massachusetts.

Reminds me of Paul Revere.
37 posted on 02/06/2004 8:25:03 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: xsysmgr; Chances Are
You got it right. The Constitutional Convention called by the two-thirds of the several States to enact amendments has never been used. It was used under the Articles of Confederation to create the current Constitution.

If the Congress could get the "Definition of Marriage" amendment out the door, it would have two routes for ratification which have both been used. One is to submit the amendment to the 50 State Legislatures, and hope that the necessary 38 could happen in say, ONE year. Not probable since some State Legislatures meet for a very limited window which could require two or more years for them to take up the debate and any vote on said amendments.

The other route is to submit the amendment to State Conventions for ratification. This has the advantage of being much faster and was used in the year 1933 to ratify the 21st amendment which repealed the 18th amendment (Prohibition) from the Constitution.

The 21st Amendment was submitted to the State Conventions on February 20th, 1933 and by December 5th, 1933 the State of Utah became the last necessary State Convention which ratified the 21st Amendment. Less than nine months, the fastest ratification in US history.

I wonder how long a marriage amendment would take?


dvwjr
38 posted on 02/06/2004 8:52:52 AM PST by dvwjr
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To: xsysmgr
OK, good. You think that's how this will go down?

CA....
39 posted on 02/06/2004 8:54:17 AM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: Chances Are
ya think we can build a wall around MA?..just a thought...maybe require residents to get passports to visit the USA?
40 posted on 02/06/2004 8:56:02 AM PST by rrrod
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