Posted on 02/02/2004 3:47:15 PM PST by DannyTN
CNN reported, “A new book offering a non-evolutionist view of how the Grand Canyon was formed, featuring essays from 23 scientists (most with PhD's, many having conducted serious geological scientific research at the Canyon), is the object of an intense book-banning effort by leading evolutionists. They have demanded that Grand Canyon National Park remove the book, Grand Canyon: A Different View, from bookstores within the Park.
The book, which claims the famous area can be no older than a few thousand years (contrary to the claims of traditional secular science, which contends the canyon is millions of years old), was unanimously approved by a panel of park and gift shop personnel, the Los Angeles Times reported.”
CNN reported that the National Park Service (NPS) in Washington, D.C. is “preparing to draft a letter telling Grand Canyon administrators the book makes claims that fall outside accepted science... so it likely won’t be restocked.” Meanwhile, an NPS spokesman has confirmed that the book has been moved from the natural sciences section of the bookstore to an ‘inspirational’ one (which would thus downplay the book’s legitimate scientific message).
What is this if it is not blatant censorship? The Evolutionists have formed what amounts to a ‘cartel’ of influential liberals and agnostics who are bent upon silencing all challenges.
On the basis of elaborate non-proven theories, the Evolution Cartel now protects itself from scientific challenge by banning all books that don’t agree with their arrogant claims, which are fundamentally based on enormous assumptions that are then supported by circular reasoning.
Evolution Cartel Out of Step with Majority
According to recent poles, at least half of Americans believe in a recent “creation” of no more than 10,000 years. Some of the greatest names in science are among those who believe in recent creation.
In the 1960’s, I had the privilege of leading a scientist from the Rocketdyne Propulsion Laboratories to faith in Jesus Christ. Charles Morse then spent the rest of his life studying the Biblical account of creation and the universal flood.
Using some the world's most sophisticated computers, he set up models from scientific information that established a global flood had to have taken place.
From these models, he was able to interpret the geological records in scientific terms so that they supported a recent creation.
Evidence to Consider
Since Morse had been a naval officer in WW2, he had studied and had access to scientific oceanography data. This included the ‘mid-oceanic ridges’ with deep trenches traversing their length. These ridges extend along the length of all earth’s ocean. He also learned about the ‘river cones’, which are underwater river channels that extend along the ocean floor for over a hundred miles out from the mouth of every great river in the world.
Morse found that the Evolutionist’s explanation of the ‘river cones’ could never work. Evolutionists contend that the ‘river cones’ were etched into the ocean floor by slow moving currents that etched them out over ‘millions of years’.
(Whenever evolutionists are stuck for an explanation, they always seem to think that adding a few million more years solves everything.) But this could not explain how the underwater channels were formed.
These so called river cones are literally extensions of the rivers on the ocean floor. Only water moving at tremendous velocity would have the ability to carry the large rocks necessary to etch out such deep trenches on a line continuing out from the river on the ocean floor.
The same thing is true concerning the phenomenon of the Grand Canyon. If these were formed by slow moving currents over millions of years, why has this not taken place in other places where the rivers are about the same age?
Rivers such as Mississippi, Nile, Amazon, Euphrates, etc., should have produced similar phenomena. If the Grand Canyon is millions of years old, why has there not been more erosion of the steep cliffs?
The Biblical account of a universal flood better explains the geological phenomena of the Grand Canyon than does the evolutionist theory. If there was a universal flood, and it was caused to drain of the land rapidly as the Biblical account declares, then there would have been enormous amounts of water draining off at terrific velocity.
This would easily form the rivers and canyons we see today. And most important, it would also explain how the river cones were formed out from the mouth of every river into the ocean floor.
The fossil record is also explained best this way. Why do we find fossilized fish at the top of mountains all over the world? Why do we find evidence of sea life on land areas the world over?
Where Did The Water Come From?
Morse also dealt with the question of where the tremendous volume of water came from that would be needed to cover all the land mass of the planet.
The Bible says, “In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.” (Genesis 7:11-12 NIV)
Morse observed that there could not have been enough water stored in the atmosphere to cover the whole earth. Most of the water came from what the Bible called “the springs of the great deep…” This is where the “mid-oceanic trenches” come in.
There is evidence that there were tremendously violent eruptions that took place in these Great fractures of the earth’s tectonic plates. There is also radioactivity coming from these areas. Morse reasons from the evidence that God used some kind of nuclear reaction to burst open the great fountains of the deep and release the water stored there.
Then Morse dealt with the problem of how that much water could be removed from the land masses of the earth. The geological evidence supports that God caused enormous forces under the continental plates to erupt and force them to rise upward. This caused the water to drain off with violent velocity.
This gives the best explanation of the evidence as to how the rivers, mountains and canyons were formed. The water velocity had the carrying power and force to move great rocks so as to quickly etch out what we see today.
In the final analysis, whether you are an evolutionist or a creationist, it takes faith to come to a conclusion about how the earth was created and formed.
I believe in creation because the God I worship has the power to do any of these things. And it explains the scientifically available fact better than the evolutionist theory.
Even Darwin Found a Better Way
As a matter of fact, even Charles Darwin came to that conclusion before he died. According to Frank Charles Thompson, God used the wife of the First Admiral of the British fleet to reach Charles Darwin with the Gospel. Here is what he reported:
“God used Lady Hope, wife of the first admiral of the British Fleet, to reach Charles Darwin with the Gospel during the last years of his life. He was bedridden, and she would often visit him. One afternoon, as he was reading this Bible, she asked, “What are you studying now?” “Still Hebrews,” he replied. “I call it the royal book. Isn’t it grand?”
When she mentioned how popular his theory of evolution had become he gave her an anguished look and said, “I was a young man then, with uninformed ideas. I thought out queries and suggestions, wondering all the time … and to my astonishment, those ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion out of them."
Later Darwin asked Lady Hope if she would share the Word of God with some of his friends in his summerhouse. She asked, “What shall I speak about?” He replied, “Jesus Christ and His salvation. Is that not the best theme?”
Dr. Victor Pierce, an Oxford scholar, says, “When some one tells you evolution explains everything, tell them that Darwin discovered a better theme — “Jesus Christ and His salvation.”
I'll tell you, some of these religious nutballs really drive me crazy, and do a great disservice to religion and faith as a whole.
Many of Hal's predictions were spot on.
Wow ... approved by a panel of panel of gift shop personnel!! I guess that trumps a few thousand PhD's, Carbon and Neutronic dating, the fossil record, core samples, computer modelling and a wee bit of common sense.
I wouldn't say they are disproved, just not substantiated to the extent that Hal should have used it.
TruthOrFiction.com's conclusion is that when all is said and done, there is not enough good evidence that the story is true. We stop short of declaring it fiction, but regard it as not sufficiently proven. The report about Darwin's change of heart comes from one person, Lady Hope, an energetic Nineteenth Century Christian, while many members of Darwin's family denied it and there is nothing from Darwin's friends, colleagues, his own statements or writings to substantiate it.
It was some 24 PHD's who wrote the book. The current evolution establishment is not debunking this on it's merits, they are simply trying to get it banned because it contradicts the established view.
River Fans are found off the mouths of rivers that have changed position in recorded history. We know it didn't involve floods in any of those cases, so there is no rerason to speculate that a flood was required in any case.
So9
The article didn't bring this out well, and I haven't read the book in quesion. But I think the problem with river cones is that none of them are as big as they should be if the earth is millions of years old.
It does raise some interesting questions. Why did the Colorado carve such a huge canyon, but the Amazon and the Nile haven't?
"Whenever evolutionists are stuck for an explanation, they always seem to think that adding a few million more years solves everything.)"
and not even good fabrication by the Bibidolators
“God used Lady Hope, wife of the first admiral of the British Fleet,
Not even close
From http://www.thepeerage.com/p363.htm this is the guy - not even a full Admiral, much less Admiral of the Fleet.
Vice-Admiral Sir James Hope-Vere (M)
b. 3 March 1808, d. 9 June 1881, #18121
Pedigree
Vice-Admiral Sir James Hope-Vere was the son of Admiral Sir George Hope-Vere and Lady Jemima Hope-Johnstone. He was born on 3 March 1808. ... He married, secondly, Elizabeth Cotton, daughter of General Sir Arthur Thomas Cotton, on 6 December 1877. He died on 9 June 1881 at age 73.
Even the pretty darned wacky Young Earthers say it's nonsense Did Darwin recant?
I love this little Janet-Jackson
After the death of Admiral Hope in 1881, Lady Hope married T. A. Denny, a ‘pork philanthropist’, in 1893, but preferred to retain her former name and title
Sorry Mrs Denny, your preference don't count. The rules of courtesy titles are clear. A woman holding such title by reason of marriage can keep using the title after widowhood or divorce, until she remarries.
This is the female whose integity the Bibidolators are relying on?
A woman willing to use a title she's not entitled to is probably prepared to lie about other things.
I agree 100%, these guys close their minds to possibilities and then think themselves scientific.
My guess is that few of them are aware that the rock formed from Mt. St. Helens was Potassium Argon dated to be millions of years old, despite the fact that scientists watched the rock form. And the same dating problem shows up in 18 other recent volcanic eruptions. And they wouldn't believe it if you told them.
Once rivers that flow over rock, like the Colorado, cut a groove, they naturally stay in it. Eventually they dig down towards sea level. How deep the canyon is depends on water flow, rock hardness and how old the river is.
Until man started to force themn to stay within their banks, rivers through soft soil moved around, creating and then cutting off horseshoe bends, thus the current course of the river is never more than a few hundred years old.
The mouths of the rivers also move around.
The Mississippi moved back and forth over a 100 mile stretch of coast, until we stopped it. In the last 300 years, the mouth has moved 50 miles South out past what was the coast.
So9
I would. Mrs Denny was a liar. And truthorfiction.com are just trying to "wardrobe malfunction" this.
He needed to read the scriptures to predict the obvious? I've been predicting the same thing for twenty years and I haven't studied the scriptures in close to 40 years. BTW, I predict that tomorrow there will be daylight followed by darkness.
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