[shrinkermd]

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[KantianBurke]

Only the nutty and the romantically immature think about marrying in this day and age.

[SeeRushToldU_So]

My wife has signed on for this program:)

[Tax-chick]

A good summary of Dr. Laura's general approach, I think. I've enjoyed (sometimes with guilt!) some of her books, and sometimes learned something useful, but she is overly simplistic and reduces people to the lowest common denominator. An occupational hazard, perhaps ...

[Maceman]

I generally can't stand Dr. Laura, even on those occasions when she is right.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

the radio pop psychologist known for her diatribes against abortion, working mothers, and gay rights,

Bias much? Leave it to a Boston rag to immediately discredit Dr. Laura in the first sentence of the article.

Typical.

Liberals hate, HATE, Dr. Laura because she's not afraid to speak up against their years of social engineering. Dr. Laura is right friggin' on with this book.

[smiley]

hummm..let's see...>Dr. Laura had a "hate" relationship with her mother....is a divorced working single mom raising her only son....hummm......what is wrong with this picture?

[Lady Eileen]

bump

[G.Mason]

"Men are only interested in two things: If I'm not horny, make me a sandwich."

Yes sir! That lasts all of two or three years.

After that it takes a skillfull, and sometimes deviant, mind to buy them something nice and take them out to dinner once in a while.

Aw baby, you know what I like

[Mamzelle]

A truly submissive woman would not expect nor demand marriage. I know one of these--a totally compliant, dependent "mistress" of a rich guy. This is an interesting new social pattern. And you want to talk *compliant*--poor gal barely has a soul.

If you want to keep 'em down, better not marry 'em. Just support them, allow them to live in your home--they don't have a leg to stand on.

[Destructor]

"...pins most of the blame for modern marital problems on selfish, overly demanding women..."

There is a lot of truth to that assessment. It's not the women themselves that are to blame. It's the Feminist ideology that has permeated society in the last 40+ years. This trend will probably take another 40 years to correct itself. In the meantime, the institution of marriage will continue to decline.

[Toespi]

I am reading the book now and it is logical and sensible. How can one equate submissive with being respectful and caring? I have been married many years, I am a career woman and I wish I would have read this book years ago. Women have become self-indulged through our process of "emancipation" and it is time we take a closer look at our role in marriage.

[Xenalyte]

Hmmm . . . maybe I'm not submissive enough.

[Theo]

Rule #1 -- define terms. What does "submission" and "submissiveness" mean in this context? Does it mean that women should buckle under man's authoritarianism? Does it mean that women should lose their personalities and become door mats?

Or does it mean something else?

[PLK]

The feminist movement is facing a backlash and the feminazi types are totally irrelevant to the average woman. Their only causes at the moment are 3rd trimester abortions on demand, lesbian rights, and socialism - all of which makes them so extreme it's laughable.

My current crusade in our local school system is to abolish the stupid practice of allowing girls to wrestle or play football if they want to. Of course, this rarely occurs beyond middle school because the boys' development kicks in and the girls are outmuscled.

However, I have seen some very sad situations as a result of this. Boys are humiliated, it's nothing short of being bullied, IMO, because everyone knows there's a stigma and shame. Never mind the social meaning of all that, it doesn't matter to a 12-year old boy and he shouldn't have to pick up the tab on some feminazi's social engineering dreams.

Recently, a 9th grade boy in our school, on the way to a wrestling tournament, was forced to ask the bus driver to stop on the side of the road. His stomach was roiling and he had diarrhea. The coach (a friend of ours) knew immediately that the boy was not sick, but he knew he was going to be wrestling a girl at the tourney. It was just too much.

When I heard this story I was furious. It matches the fury I feel when I see a girl with one of those "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them" tee shirts - and the impetus for a girl to wear the shirt is the same one that leads them to "go out" for wrestling.

As the mother of both boys and girls, I say that when the boys can "go out" for the girls volleyball team, then it is O.K. for the girls to wrestle and play football.

[LOC1]

Traditional families became "traditional' because the roles assumed by each of the partners made, and still make, sense. Partners who respect and rely on each other's differing insights and different ways of reaching decisions have a much deeper and more solid way of dealing with the challenges that life throws us. Such partners also tend to respect each other's needs and desires. Perhaps that is what Dr. Laura is trying to suggest, that women really enter into the give and take of partnership, rather than being the spoiled adolescent demanding their own way all of the time.

[hopespringseternal]

Too often (Schlessinger is right about that), it has promoted anger, rancor, and male-blaming instead of equal partnership.

Feminist ideology is dominated by angry, man-hating lesbians. They have convinced women to sabotage their own marriages, to foul their own nests. They love divorce because it makes the woman available for their advances, makes her daughters more vulnerable to being recruited into the lesbian lifestyle, and neuters her sons to be more compliant to the harridan he ends up chained to.

Nearly every woman has a little of their poison in her mind and would do well to guard the gates of her mind against it. It is bitterness that can only produce more bitterness.

[MissAmericanPie]

But she is right on about it. Hopefully, if I raise my son right, he will never marry.

[Quix]

Isn't this a duplicate of:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052355/posts?q=1&&page=501

A lot of good excerpts from the best book I know on ATTACHMENTS and related problems from nonattachment at early ages . . . is at post

#545 at the above link.

[ArrogantBustard]

Lovely. Seventy some odd posts, and nobody seems to be interestd in where the idea of "submissive" wives comes from, or what it means. So here it is:

The Epistle of Saint Paul to the Ephesians

Chapter 5

Exhortations to a virtuous life. The mutual duties of man and wife, by the example of Christ and of the Church.

1	Be ye therefore followers of God, as most dear children:

2	And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us and hath delivered himself for us, an oblation and a sacrifice to God for an odour of sweetness.

3	But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not so much as be named among you, as becometh saints:

4	Or obscenity or foolish talking or scurrility, which is to no purpose: but rather giving of thanks.

5	For know you this and understand: That no fornicator or unclean or covetous person (which is a serving of idols) hath inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6	Let no man deceive you with vain words. For because of these things cometh the anger of God upon the children of unbelief.

7	Be ye not therefore partakers with them.

8	For you were heretofore darkness, but now light in the Lord. Walk then as children of the light.

9	For the fruit of the light is in all goodness and justice and truth:

10	Proving what is well pleasing to God.

11	And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness: but rather reprove them.

12	For the things that are done by them in secret, it is a shame even to speak of.

13	But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for all that is made manifest is light.

14	Wherefore he saith: Rise, thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead: and Christ shall enlighten thee.

15	See therefore, brethren, how you walk circumspectly: not as unwise,

16	But as wise: redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17	Wherefore, become not unwise: but understanding what is the will of God.

18	And be not drunk with wine, wherein is luxury: but be ye filled with the Holy Spirit,

19	Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual canticles, singing and making melody in your hearts to the Lord:

20	Giving thanks always for all things, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to God and the Father:

21	Being subject one to another, in the fear of Christ.

22	Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord:

23	Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.

24	Therefore as the church is subject to Christ: so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things.

25	Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church and delivered himself up for it:

26	That he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the laver of water in the word of life:

27	That he might present it to himself, a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28	So also ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29	For no man ever hated his own flesh, but nourisheth and cherisheth it, as also Christ doth the church:

30	Because we are members of him, body, of his flesh and of his bones.

31	For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother: and shall cleave to his wife. And they shall be two in one flesh.

32	This is a great sacrament: but I speak in Christ and in the church.

33	Nevertheless, let every one of you in particular love for his wife as himself: And let the wife fear her husband.

Note verse 25: Husbands, Love your wives. As some of you may know, "love" in this verse is translated from the Greek "agape", which refers to a complete, from the soul, self-sacrificial seeking of the good of the beloved. In the Latin Vulgate, St. Jerome translated it "viri diligite uxores": "Men: be completely attentive to the good of your wives..."

[hispanarepublicana]

While I think she's right in this book, I would not be so flattered by it if I were a man, or think of it as "submissive wives." The reason men shouldn't be flattered is that my take on the book is that Dr. Laura is saying, "Look, women....Men are basically 1 dimensional beings who constantly need their egoes stroked in order to feel appreciated. If you can stroke their egoes and keep them placated that way, then they will be happy and life will be lots easier."