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A Soldier's Observation: 'You Can't Give Away Freedom'
American Forces Press Service ^ | Feb. 1, 2004 | By Jim Garamone

Posted on 02/01/2004 10:26:06 AM PST by Calpernia

A 1st Armored Division soldier put the whole situation in Iraq in context. "We all got it that freedom isn't free, but you also can't give it away."

Army Brig. Gen. Martin E. Dempsey said a soldier told him that just as the soldier was leaving the country. "I think that's where we are now. We've given them the opportunity; they have to take it," he said during an interview at the Coalition Provisional Authority headquarters with reporters traveling with Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.

Others agree with the assessment. Another coalition military official said the fight in Iraq is one between the large majority of moderates and the small minority of extremists. The Iraqi extremists are those who want the old regime – or something like it – back in power. They want a small minority of people to live off the fat of the land while oppressing the large majority of the population.

"It is our job to give the moderates … the opportunity to form a government they want," he said.

There is an educational process involved with this. Coalition officials are working with Iraqis to help them understand their new freedoms and that these newfound freedoms are to take advantage of the situation.

The arrest of Saddam Hussein has had a favorable impact on helping the Iraqi people with their decision on freedom. The arrest was an intelligence bonanza, said a senior coalition official in Baghdad. Documents found with Saddam have provided information about the organization and financing of the insurgency, he said. But possibly the greater impact is psychological on a number of groups of people, the official said.

There is always going to be a hardcore group that will fight against the coalition, he explained. In Baghdad alone, officials put that number at 250 to 300 former regime hardliners. "That group can only be captured or killed," the official said.

But there are other groups that the capture has affected. One group supported Saddam's rule, and while he was free they cooperated with the hardcore group hoping he would return. "That hope is gone. And we have seen since the arrest people turning themselves in … to tactical units, basically saying they've had enough," the official said.

There was another larger group that was afraid Saddam would return. "They were sitting on the fence, afraid he would come back, and they now know that isn't going to happen," he said. "We've seen a substantial uptick in the amount of human intelligence coming in as a result (of that realization)."

All in all, coalition officials in Baghdad said the trend lines are up. What remains to be seen is how the Iraqi people adapt to freedom after 35 years of fear.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1starmored; briggendempsey; coalition; cpa; freedom; gnfi; iraq; wolfowitz
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1 posted on 02/01/2004 10:26:09 AM PST by Calpernia
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To: MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER; ...
Pro Military, Pro Coalition, Pro de-Baathification News!

'You Can't Give Away Freedom'

There is always going to be a hardcore group that will fight against the coalition, he explained. In Baghdad alone, officials put that number at 250 to 300 former regime hardliners. "That group can only be captured or killed," the official said.

Private Mail to be added to or removed from the GNFI (or Pro-Coalition) ping list.

2 posted on 02/01/2004 10:27:42 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia
We all got it that freedom isn't free, but you also can't give it away

irrefutable truth. like you can't give away Salvation.

3 posted on 02/01/2004 10:29:11 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Calpernia
"There is always going to be a hardcore group that will fight against the coalition, he explained."

What's sad, is that includes the dimocrats in this country.
4 posted on 02/01/2004 10:38:07 AM PST by bornintexas
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To: Calpernia
bfl
5 posted on 02/01/2004 10:49:05 AM PST by dts32041 (Be treated like a black in the demo rat party, be a conservative and vote for republican.)
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To: bornintexas
A Soldier's Observation: 'You Can't Give Away Freedom'~ it has to be earned ~ Bump!
6 posted on 02/01/2004 10:52:23 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Calpernia

...A 1st Armored Division soldier put the whole situation in Iraq in context. "We all got it that freedom isn't free, but you also can't give it away."

"...We've given them ((Iraqi people)) the opportunity; they have to take it, ..."

Some will accept the opportunity,

Some will squander the opportunity,

Some will pervert the opportunity, to gain political power OVER THE PEOPLE to ensure their own position, influence, wealth; and dominance of the people.


7 posted on 02/01/2004 10:59:27 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Calpernia
Freedom comes at the cost of your own blood. In this case the Iraqi's blood. It's not the blood that American and coalition forces spilled when taking Iraq. It will have to be Iraqi blood defending the freedom that we have given them. Personally, I give it a one in one hundred chance of happening. They will run, they will be over run, and they will have no freedom. The willingness to fight for one's freedom comes from moral and principled conviction. If a third of all Iraqis have a moral and principled conviction, they might have a chance of convincing others to join in their battle against thugs and terrorists. I doubt that there are a third of Iraqis that have that conviction – if they did, they would have fought for their own freedom long ago, as soon as they recognized the brutal dictatorship of Saddam. Think of the torture, mass murder, and wholesale repression of the Iraqi people – and they did nothing about it. Compare that to our own history in America – geez, we got pissed off over the Stamp Act.
8 posted on 02/01/2004 11:14:34 AM PST by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: PattonReincarnated
Personally, I give it a one in one hundred chance of happening.

Its a tough bet to take. I think that the odds would go up if we'd give up on the "Iraqi nation" fiction and split it--or let it be confederated and then split on its own--into the three natural provinces it has: Kurdistan, Sunni-stan, and Shiite-stan. The Kurd would probably make it without the others pulling them down, and the Shiites and the Sunnis would eventually reach some bloody equilibrium.

9 posted on 02/01/2004 11:31:39 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Calpernia
Bump!
10 posted on 02/01/2004 11:40:41 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Pearls Before Swine
I think you got that right. The borders in the Middle-East and North Africa for that matter are basically mistakes of the aftermath of other wars. I would have been completely satisfied if we met our objective in Iraq (take out Saddam) and then moved our forces to the border of Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. I still see this as one of the primary reasons we went into Iraq. In other words, Iraq is a strategic military position. I certainly hope it doesn't turn into a strategic peace-keeping position.
11 posted on 02/01/2004 11:44:11 AM PST by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: Calpernia
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..'We Were Soldiers Once and Young'


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12 posted on 02/01/2004 12:11:12 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com.)
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To: Calpernia
Our founding fathers knew that you can't give freedom away and bestowed that notion in our nation's posterity. What IRAQ requires is their own 'founding fathers' and so far it seems they have come up far short. There is still time and there are many IRAQI'S who have given their lives for freedom. They need to overcome ethnic and religious division and UNITE against the terrorists who would tear IRAQ assunder.
13 posted on 02/01/2004 12:19:13 PM PST by PISANO (God Bless our Troops........They will not TIRE - They will not FALTER - They will not FAIL!!!!!)
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To: Calpernia
"That hope is gone. And we have seen since the arrest people turning themselves in"

There will be a point in this process at which an offer of amnesty will be useful in extinguishing remaining embers of opposition. I am not sure we are there yet. When they have basically given up hope and are only fighting on out of fear, then it will be the time. There can be exceptions for the greatest crimes and the highest up ringleaders. But there is a reason executive authorities are given the power of pardon - sometimes it is the way to make desperate men less desperate and end a struggle. Food for thought.

14 posted on 02/01/2004 12:19:57 PM PST by JasonC
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To: PattonReincarnated
In other words, Iraq is a strategic military position. I certainly hope it doesn't turn into a strategic peace-keeping position.

I like your way of thinking on this, and hope that our leaders are thinking this way as well--not just bumbling around.

15 posted on 02/01/2004 1:45:24 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: blackie; Calpernia
"A Soldier's Observation: 'You Can't Give Away Freedom'~ it has to be earned ~ Bump!"

That can't be repeated often enough. Unfortunately, this goes for any third world country that has never had any personal freedom. They don't think or behave like us.

16 posted on 02/01/2004 3:38:41 PM PST by AuntB (Do away with all entitlements (except the military!))
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To: AuntB
Some of behave badly. :):)
17 posted on 02/01/2004 5:04:42 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: JasonC

Under Saddam he only knew fear. Fear can be a great motivator but after you've lived with fear Hope can be an even greater motivator. America provides Hope and he really knows nothing about America, except he knows what is most important about America. America provides Hope. Ernie De Bella, April 2003

18 posted on 02/01/2004 5:23:11 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia
I'm are sure you sincerely think that meant something. What, however, I am too dense to see. If clarity was part of the object, another sentence please.
19 posted on 02/01/2004 5:50:22 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Not that I need to respond to you; but I was adding to my post. This is my thread. I linked a picture and quote from my homeland defense site to my post.

Does that clear things up enough for you?
20 posted on 02/01/2004 6:04:05 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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