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2nd ID Seeks to Curb Lap Dancing at Clubs
Stars and Stripes Pacific Edition ^ | 01/26/04 | Seth Robson

Posted on 01/29/2004 7:20:48 AM PST by Modernman

CAMP RED CLOUD, South Korea - The 2nd Infantry Division wants lap dancing banned in Area I nightclubs frequented by U.S. soldiers, according to documents to be presented this week to the Korean Special Tourist Association and local mayors.

Club owners and mayors will have 30 days to respond to a proposed association and 2nd ID Good Commerce Practices Guide, which sets out standards expected of clubs near U.S. bases in Area I.

Last year lap dancing was explicitly authorized in an attachment to the 2nd ID's 2002-2003 policy. The proposed guide states: "Though lap dancing is authorized under 2nd Infantry Division policy, it has not been defined. For the purposes of good order and discipline, lap dancing will be defined here," and the definition integrated into conduct standards.

The proposed guide defines lap dancing as an activity that occurs "when a club dancer is approached by or offers to dance for a soldier … typically of the opposite sex. This interaction between dancer and soldier is typically done at very close quarters."

The guide then imposes such strict rules for the practice that it effectively bans it, stating, "This type of behavior does not honor either individual involved. Since soldiers are soldiers 24/7, they are not at liberty to lower their professional bearing after hours."

It suggests lap dancing be treated as "client-focused exotic dancing" and that club owners "prohibit any physical contact between dancers and customers" and "ban the practice of customers placing money/bills in dancers' garments: g-strings, bras, garters or other apparel." The guide also would "require that private dances in remote areas of the club be directly visible" to military police inspecting a club.

The man who wrote the guide, 2nd ID assistant chief of staff Lt. Col. Chris Bailey, said he researched lap dancing laws in the United States and Britain before preparing the policy.

"We are following trends in the U.S.," Bailey said. "Lap dancing has taken on a new level of interest in the American media. It is outlawed in Los Angeles and Las Vegas."

He said lap dancing is associated with other undesirable activity such as human trafficking, which the proposed guide also includes measures to prevent. The 2nd ID also has imposed other rules and procedures in recent years after media reports that suggested the military was doing too little to prevent human trafficking in South Korea.

The new policy also states that clubs for South Korean augmentees to the U.S. military should "not tolerate prostitution or human trafficking."

Sgt. 1st Class Stuart Greer, of the 2nd ID's Headquarters and Headquarters Company, told soldiers gathered at Camp Red Cloud for New Horizon Day earlier this month that hundreds of thousands of women are human trafficking victims each year.

The crime often involves women duped into moving to a foreign country, then forced to become sex workers there. Greer said he learned about human trafficking after meeting his Philippine wife when she was working in a South Korean nightclub.

"When I was dating my wife, I found out her sister in Bahrain hadn't been paid in 10 months. She was working 16 hours a day, six days a week. Through many e-mails and telephone calls we took this guy to court and he had to pay her and return her to the Philippines," he said.

Southeast Asia is a major source of human trafficking, as is the former Soviet Union, Greer said.

"In 2002, news organizations connected trafficking with the military in South Korea," he said. They suggested that U.S. military "courtesy patrols" were guarding establishments that engaged in human trafficking and condoned prostitution. Indicators of trafficking include money exchanged between soldiers and club employees for unexplained reasons or employees that cannot leave clubs and have no access to their passports, he said.

Greer said he is certain prostitution still happens at some clubs in Area I.

"My wife came here as a dancer. She went to dance school. The club owner said, 'You can dance and make $500 a month or you can sit with the customers and if they buy you a drink you will make more.' But I have heard of other people in clubs that actually engage in prostitution.

"In the club she sat next to me and talked," he said. "The other clubs, they do lap dances."

The Good Commerce Practices Guide will be presented at a Jan. 30 dinner to be attended by Brig. Gen. John Shortal, 2nd ID assistant division commander for support, officials said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 2ndid; korea; lapdancing; military; militarybases; prostitution; southkorea; strip
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To: af_vet_1981
"Do you approve of the women in your extended family providing these services to foreign troops ?"

Hmmmm, let me think that over....I just can't see my Mom lap-dancing at her age...
101 posted on 01/29/2004 11:58:44 AM PST by dakine
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To: Modernman
C'mere, baby....

I got some money... let me have some of that "client-focused exotic dancing"
102 posted on 01/29/2004 11:58:47 AM PST by DaGman
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To: cyborg
Well we know Neal Bush sure did. According to papers, he left a child back in Thailand or where it was he was carousing.

Yup. And random attractive women showed up at his hotel room and had sex with him. He had no idea how they got there. Suuuurre.

103 posted on 01/29/2004 11:59:53 AM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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To: chookter
Any reading of alcohol and it's an article 15. For officer's, it's a letter of reprimand...

I gonna have to raise the BS flag. This part of the tale reads too much like barracks rumor.

104 posted on 01/29/2004 12:00:54 PM PST by TankerKC (My life is a Country Song.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Do you approve of the women in your extended family providing these services to foreign troops ?

I, personally, would rather have a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in the Air Force.

105 posted on 01/29/2004 12:03:10 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: TankerKC
I am relating it as told by an E-5 who just returned from there--well, last July anyhow....

Mind you, it isn't all posts that do the breathalyzing--but it is a dry tour.

106 posted on 01/29/2004 12:05:34 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Modernman
I already told you I don't. What's your point?

You want other families' women to provide the services for the troops but are unwilling for the women in your family to provide them.

107 posted on 01/29/2004 12:07:21 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: chookter
oooohhhh them be fighting words!!!!
108 posted on 01/29/2004 12:07:55 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Modernman
I'm sure W. got a lap dance or two back when he was younger. He did party quite a bit back in the day.

How are you sure ?

Some men who drank still had boundaries they did not cross.

I'm sure that George W. Bush would not agree with you today.

109 posted on 01/29/2004 12:11:43 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Modernman
According to the department of labor, the two biggest growth areas for jobs in the US in the next decade are computer services and medical services.

It depends whether you count the growth rates or the actual number of jobs. Growth rates show trends for the future. The BLS is not exactly interested in reporting the growth of jobs in the porn industry.

110 posted on 01/29/2004 12:14:37 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: chookter
I, personally, would rather have a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in the Air Force.

LOL

111 posted on 01/29/2004 12:15:00 PM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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To: chookter
I, personally, would rather have a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in the Air Force.

which makes it rather obvious what kind of man you are.

112 posted on 01/29/2004 12:15:52 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
You want other families' women to provide the services for the troops but are unwilling for the women in your family to provide them.

I don't want the women in my family to be coal-miners, either. That doesn't mean I would prevent other people from being coal-miners.

113 posted on 01/29/2004 12:16:30 PM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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To: dakine
Hmmmm, let me think that over....I just can't see my Mom lap-dancing at her age...

The foreign troops who have not respect whatsoever for her would put her to some use.

114 posted on 01/29/2004 12:17:02 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
How are you sure ?

I wouldn't bet my life on it. But, hey, he was an oil guy in Texas in the 70's and 80's. It's a safe bet that he stuffed money into a g-string a few times.

115 posted on 01/29/2004 12:17:54 PM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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To: af_vet_1981
It depends whether you count the growth rates or the actual number of jobs.

Okay. Do you have any evidence that porn-related jobs are a huge source of employment for American women?

116 posted on 01/29/2004 12:19:09 PM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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To: Modernman
I don't want the women in my family to be coal-miners, either. That doesn't mean I would prevent other people from being coal-miners.

Why would you have a problem with the women in your family providing the services you advocate to foreign troops ?

Do you think there is something wrong with it ?

117 posted on 01/29/2004 12:19:18 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: chookter
"I, personally, would rather have a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in the Air Force."


hahahaha.....
118 posted on 01/29/2004 12:19:25 PM PST by dakine
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To: af_vet_1981
Why would you have a problem with the women in your family providing the services you advocate to foreign troops ?

Because I figure they can do better. I admit that lap-dancing is not the top job in the world. So what? There are plenty of lousy jobs out there, but people still do them. For some women, dancing is the best they can do.

Do you think there is something wrong with it ?

For consenting adults? No.

119 posted on 01/29/2004 12:22:49 PM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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To: af_vet_1981
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1067749/posts
what was that you said about the growth of porn???
120 posted on 01/29/2004 12:23:14 PM PST by cyborg
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