Major Industrial Nations Unprepared for Coming Population Aging and Labour Shortage

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[Luis Gonzalez]

"Because their contraceptive failed."

That's a joke.

The number of pregnancies as a result of the failure of a contraceptive to work, is probably insignificant. The truth of the matter is that the people who claim that their contraceptive failed, are probably lying, and they either failed to use a contraceptive properly, used an inadequate contraceptive, or failed to use a contraceptive at all.

Accepting the argument that the contraceptive "failed" is one more example of avoiding responsibility for one's own action by faulting the contraceptive.

[the invisib1e hand]

well, let's see...this can go all sorts of ways...how about this?

the worst thing that could happen is government propagandizing large families, unless all that new offspring is raised the right way, and how could it possible be raised the right way if the 'family/economic production unit' doesn't have a moral structure?

we don't need a secular population explosion.

[Happy2BMe]

Notice the "replacement" numbers of Americans already living in the U.S. from the 1970's going steadily down while Americans born outside the U.S. skyrocketing for the remainder of the 21st Century.

Here’s another reason for the decline in U.S.-Born Americans . .

Now you are touching on the REAL PROBLEMS that created this immigration crisis to begin with . .

Q: Why does the United States Government permit wholesale illegal Mexican immigration?

A: For the workers.

Q: Why does the United States Government need foreign workers (not just Mexicans)?

A: It does not have enough labor force to meet the service sector and other blue collar work sector demands and growth within it's economy.

Q: Why does the United States Government not have enough workers to meet economic demand?

A: Over TWENTY MILLION AMERICAN WORKERS HAVE BEEN ABORTED OVER THE PAST TWENTY YEARS.

Q: If over twenty million American workers have been aborted over the past twenty years, who is going to pay for (read: generate taxes) the Social Security of the baby-boomer generation (now reaching critical mass)? (NOTE: BABY BOOMERS have killed as many Americans as Lenin and Stalin did Russians.)

A: Mexican workers.

Final Question: If they had survived, who would they have to thank for it and WHO WOULD THE TWENTY MILLION ABORTED AMERICANS HAVE VOTED MOST FOR?

Any questions?

Here’s another solution. Stop killing American Citizens before they draw their first breath.

[Polycarp IV]

The number of pregnancies as a result of the failure of a contraceptive to work, is probably insignificant.

I admire your pro-life stance and I'm glad for our common ground on that, but you obviously have not examined the contraception-abortion link in any depth. I suggest you do a little more research and a little less guessing about "insignificance.

Start with the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood International.

They are the source of the data that proves increased contraception use equals increased abortion rates. You see, they study this stuff to track their bottom line. They sell more surgical abortions when contraception use increases. If they admit it, a pro-lifer such as you should too.

[Polycarp IV]

EXCELLENT contribution to this thread!!!

[Polycarp IV]

BTW, keep up the good work. I rarely have time anymore to post to FR, but I'm at least kept up to date on these issues due to your "conservative Catholic" pings.

Thank you!

[Antoninus]

Bush's immigration plan seems to be the American response to this bitter reality.

I have thought the same thing. As Teddy Roosevelt said: "If you do not believe in your own stock enough to see the stock kept up, then you are not good Americans, you are not patriots, and ... I for one shall not mourn your extinction; and in such event I shall welcome the advent of a new race that will take your place, because you wil have shown that you are not fit to cumber the ground."

Think all the angry FReepers here seething against illegal immigrants will ever put two and two together and realize its their own contracepting and aborting culture which has caused that which they detest?

I have to laugh when guys like Bob Grant (host on 710 WOR in NYC) who are conservative but pro-abortion complain bitterly about illegal "invaders." It's those "invaders" who are the only reason we have positive population growth in this country. Without population growth, we will not have prolonged economic growth. If our population begins to contract, we'll have an economic catastrophe on our hands.

Can anyone name me one nation in world history that had economic prosperity along with a shrinking population??

As for Bush's plan, I don't like the idea of giving those who came in illegally a pass. They broke the law. Personally, I think I'd be ok with it if the amnesty was accompanied by some sort of fine--say $500 per person. Then, at least, there'd be some penalty involved.

[Antoninus]

French parents receive relatively generous child allowances, varying with the number of children in a family, but worth several thousand dollars a year. They get about $300 per month for a second child and about $410 per month for each child after that plus other substantial subsidies totalling, for a family of three young children, close to $20,000 per annum.

Holy smokes! This says to me that the French government is on the verge of panic. The only question that immediately popped into my mind was: Are they restricting the subsidies to ethnic French families, or are the Muslims getting it too? If the latter, they could be financing their merry trip to Sharia land.

[TLI]

Us Catholics just sit back and smirk.

Friendly too, eh?

[Antoninus]

I guess he doesn't because he's sending as many jobs to the one-child Chinese who now have the worlds' fastest growing economy. The Chinese are actually doing quite a lot better than the Mexicans who are breeding faster than anyone.

Both of these generalities are not supported by the facts. "One-child" China is partly myth. Though no one will deny that they are an abortion-loving regime, their population continues to grow. They were still above replacement and I would reckon that even if they said they were at replacement last time I checked and it would only be to appease the population control nazis at the UN.

Mexico, on the other hand, has seen a rapid decline in its birth rate. Though they're still above replacement, they are not where they were 20 or even 10 years ago. The fact that cities are overcrowded means that the campesinos are flooding in looking for work--thus, there are fewer farm families and farm families tend to have tons of kids, as compared to city-dwellers.

Think about it.

[Antoninus]

I know of no one around my age, (25), who plans on having more than two kids. The primary reason being that they believe it takes two incomes to raise any children, so having any more than a couple is impossible. This of course is nonsense.

There are plenty, you just have to know where to look. I met my wife through an online matchmaker service for Catholics and know at least two other couples who have done the same with similarly happy results....

[.cnI redruM]

That is a very valid question. I don't know about The French Constitution, but if someone tried to exclude any ethnic group from a program in our country, they'd ram the 14th Amendment up their 4th point of contact with a plunger.

[.cnI redruM]

That is a very valid question. I don't know about The French Constitution, but if someone tried to exclude any ethnic group from a program in our country, they'd ram the 14th Amendment up their 4th point of contact with a plunger.

[.cnI redruM]

That is a very valid question. I don't know about The French Constitution, but if someone tried to exclude any ethnic group from a program in our country, they'd ram the 14th Amendment up their 4th point of contact with a plunger.

[Antoninus]

I'd rather have people using contraception, than demanding abortion "rights".

Unfortunately, you can't separate the issues like that. Abortion and contraception are two sides of the same coin. They stem from a disordered mentality that wants to enjoy an act without consequences. Once one removes the procreative aspect of sexuality and makes it just about pleasure or erotic love, it is an easy step from there to the idea that the procreative aspect itself is an "evil" consequence of intercourse and anything that's done to preclude that "misfortune" is actually the lesser evil. Thus, the supression of life--or even the killing of a child in utero--is actually seen as closer to good than the "horror" of having an unplanned pregnancy.

That's the Culture of Death for you. And where does it leave us? With dying nations which will eventually tax themselves into oblivion paying out "benefits" to those who were too selfish to populate the next generation.

[.cnI redruM]

I meant to post that once, sorry.

[Antoninus]

we don't need a secular population explosion.

That will never happen. What we do need is for the Churches to actively begin preaching the Culture of Life and stop condoning contraception, abortion, and aberrant sexual practices.

[Polycarp IV]

We are in full agreement on everything you posted here.

[DoctorMichael]

Meanwhile OTHER International Organizations push Population Control to "save the environment", not "use up non-renewable resources", etc., etc., etc.

The result is...............
(1) We're NOT at demographic replacement levels....
(2) We're having to import cheap labor (Mexicans).....
(3) We're being outbred by Third World Hell-Holes and members of certain "Peaceful" Religions.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I'm sorry, we part company here.

While I understand your arguments, and the Church's stance on the issue, the world is the world, not a vacuum where the act of sex is viewed strictly as a way to procreate, the world has never been that way.

Sexuality for pleasure's sake preceded contraceptives, as did abortions, and while there is validity to the point that readily available contraception leads to more sexual activity, my argument is that society became more permissive, which offered an opportunity for pharmaceutical companies to research and develop more contraceptives.

I would love to see us return, as a society, to a time and place where morality reigned, until then, I err on the side of prevention.