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Bush's immigration plan seems to be the American response to this bitter reality.

I have thought the same thing. As Teddy Roosevelt said: "If you do not believe in your own stock enough to see the stock kept up, then you are not good Americans, you are not patriots, and ... I for one shall not mourn your extinction; and in such event I shall welcome the advent of a new race that will take your place, because you wil have shown that you are not fit to cumber the ground."

Think all the angry FReepers here seething against illegal immigrants will ever put two and two together and realize its their own contracepting and aborting culture which has caused that which they detest?

I have to laugh when guys like Bob Grant (host on 710 WOR in NYC) who are conservative but pro-abortion complain bitterly about illegal "invaders." It's those "invaders" who are the only reason we have positive population growth in this country. Without population growth, we will not have prolonged economic growth. If our population begins to contract, we'll have an economic catastrophe on our hands.

Can anyone name me one nation in world history that had economic prosperity along with a shrinking population??

As for Bush's plan, I don't like the idea of giving those who came in illegally a pass. They broke the law. Personally, I think I'd be ok with it if the amnesty was accompanied by some sort of fine--say $500 per person. Then, at least, there'd be some penalty involved.

"Personally, I think I'd be ok with it if the amnesty was accompanied by some sort of fine--say $500 per person. Then, at least, there'd be some penalty involved."

That may still be the case, don't forget, while Bush may have talked about what he'd like to do, it's up to Congress to actually make the changes.

Back when there was talk of extending section 486i, the outcome would have been exactly what you mentioned, but it didn't go through.