So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[My2Cents]

You ask good questions. In brief, I think the immigration laws should be enforced. The fact that the number of illegal immigrants in the US is so large that enforcement is nearly impossible makes this problematic.

They'll sneak back in anyway if they're deported, so what's your suggestion?

They may not sign up, but the policy that we're not going to slap them in chains and cart them to prison may be incentive enough to come out from the shadows.

[Ophiucus]

All citizens have the right to vote, it doesn't mean they deserve it.

That is being elitist right there. Even if sitting in a trailer but looking at the world secure in the knowledge that you are more deserving.

That's bull.

[ohioWfan]

ROFLOL!!!!!

[ClancyJ]

We have explained the issues - how many times do you have to hear them?

The issues are.........

This country is 50/50 with the democrats doing all in their power to get back in power. What will they do with that power when they did it back with the help of the unsatisfied conservatives?

Repeal the tax cut

Get us out of Iraq

Appease terrorists and hope they will not kill us

Destroy the military

Turn over decisions of our defense to the approval of the U.N. Of course, the U.N. does not like that America is a superpower, so - it is to their advantage for there to be a smaller, weaker America.

The constitution will be changed by activist judges changing the constitution by faulty legal judgements (against the true interpretation of the constitution). Then these judgements are used as precedent for future judgements using faulty constitutional interpretation. No constitution amendment needed that way - only one judge who can be paid by the democrat party to decide as they wish.

Abortion will be protected so that no future conservative can touch it.

Religion will be removed from the airwaves, the schools, the public buildings and then from public streets, public transportation and on and on so that the athesists will tell the whole U.S. where they can mention their religion. The goal is only in their own homes. Then the move to remove from the U.S.

Bribe countries for funds for the democrat party.

More and more and more taxes.

More and more spending programs.

Government controlled health care with no alternatives.

On and On.


One other issue - what do you do when the democrats lose your vote. As I am sure they will not be able to please you either.

On the other hand -

I can vote for a man that takes the war to the terrorists and protects the U.S.

I can vote for a man who has our interests at heart - not the international community's views of what America does.

I can vote for a man who has provided two tax cuts.

I can vote for a man I trust to take care of my grandchildren's future.

I can vote for a man who is willing to do something about immigration even if it is not perfect - it is a start.

[Bikers4Bush]

Because in my 20+ years of voting straight party ticket I have never been more worried about the direction of this country.

At least with Clinton I knew I was supposed to be getting screwed. It's much harder to take when the guy doing it to you is the guy you truly thought could and would finally turn it around.

I don't know if it's really him or those whispering in his ear but either way it's too much.

[alnick]

After all, wouldn't more muslims be mad that he got reelected and would join up?

That's the liberal's line: We'd better not make the terrorists mad at us.

Anyone here who does not admit that George W. Bush is Al Qaeda's worst enemy is either stupid, lying, or not paying attention.

[exmarine]

We will find out who is right come November won't we? If even a small percentage of Bush's base stays home, he's toast, especially since Dean is just about a memory. It now appears that Bush will be running against a polished and smooth politician like Kerrey or Edwards. Have people forgotten that Gore won over 50% of the vote? Do you really think it is wise to alienate base support? This immigration fiasco is definitely alienating alot of people. It's everywhere - every talk show - hordes of people are hopping mad.

Very clearly, it rewards illegal behavior (not a Christain value), encourages further corruption by the Mexican govt., keeps the borders WIDE open (you are whistling past the graveyard if you think that is not a security risk. Bush is hoping against hope that a terrorist attack does not originate form the south); it forces taxpayers to foot the bill for more immigrants (est. 25 million family members who will come in after the amnesty). And let's face it. They are going from illegal status to legal overnight - that is amnesty any way you look at it.

[My2Cents]

Thanks for the supportive comment, Psycho. I guess it would take a guy named "Psycho" to appreciate the mental health angle to this argument. :-)

[Bikers4Bush]

Only in your opinion.

[Mo1]

Who are "those guys from Texas"?

[Protagoras]

you are plainly against Bush

Which is to personalize it. And despite what many of you folks think, it's not personal for me.

I am against many of his policies. I agree with some others. I admire many of his stated goals. But I cannot support him or anyone else on the plate so far. My vote has to be earned, I don't vote out of fear. And I don't vote for people who I don't want to represent me. Period.

[BJClinton]

In other words, you'd prefer to kill children rather than take their future money.

Hillary will love what you do for her...

Oh please, you were so eloquent up to that point. Think I want people to have abortions? Hardly. I live as a Christian by my choice and will not force someone else to do so. I pray my example will stir them to turn to Christ.

Now, back to our debate about fiscal conservatism, you seemed to avoid the fact that being a true fiscal conservative is the real litmus test. Abortion won't make or break this country; out-of-control spending, debt and bankruptcy will.

[billbears]

In English please....

I'm sorry, do you not understand the words of the first President of this nation of states? Those are found in his Farewell Address and rail against everything you advocate. Party politics never overrule principle

[Sabertooth]

I see nothing wrong with temporary workers applying for a green card in the same manner that every non-"temporary worker" foreigner does. I would detest if Bush were simply granting them green cards for working here.

You're getting close to backing into the point.

Legalized Illegals with "temporary worker" blue cards would be eligible for green cards, and eventually for citizenship.

Now, look at a couple of your comments:

#385: "Please show me where in any bill sponsored by Bush or quote from Bush that will give illegal aliens citizenship."

#675: "That quote can no way be interpreted as "I will give illegal immigrants citizenship in the future".

It simply means - we will increase legal immigration numbers. He did not propose green cards for temporary workers but rather permits for temporary workers. Of these temporary workers, *some* may be selected for green cards."

Setting aside your reference to the wrong quote at #675, under the Bush proposal, as you've now stated, legalized Illegals would be eligible for green cards, and eventually, therefore, U.S. citizenship. Leaning on the word "some" is a red herring, and the President hasn't made clear what the quantity of "some" might be, since he's simultaneously trying to increase overall immigration by an unspecified amount.

So, you've answered your question at #385.

[Bikers4Bush]

"But, and this is figuratively and rhetorically speaking, I'm gonna kick the s*** out of you and anyone else who gets on here, attacks my president, and advocates booting him out of office."

What part did I not read correctly?

[af_vet_rr]

Considering that in 2000 nobody could even project the winner the day of the election, I have a hard time believing that an internet site will be even close to reality almost a year out (especially those projections).

Since 2000 there have been several black and white issues for people to decide how they feel about Bush (which in 2000, there weren't). There were people voting for Bush in 2000 who didn't know how they felt about either candidate.

I don't even think many people have decided how they are even going to vote yet. The 2004 election will be interesting, to say the least.

[Mo1]

Anyone here who does not admit that George W. Bush is Al Qaeda's worst enemy is either stupid, lying, or not paying attention.

I vote for lying

[My2Cents]

Frankly, and this is a general comment, If we want to change the "complexion" of our federal government - I think we would better serve our conservative agenda by focusing on the congressional seats.

Bingo! You're the only one I've seen make this point, and it is right-on. The Dems in the Senate, plus Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snowe, and Chuck Hagel, represent a non-conservative majority. Re-elect Bush, and put about 6 more Republicans (primarily from the open Southern seats) in the Senate, and let's see what happens in the next four years.

[Ophiucus]

While I really don't think there are enough of these fringees to make President Bush lose, there are many of them who are ACTIVELY trying to convince others (lurkers who read FR) that Bush is dangerous/socialist/whatever in order to defeat him in November.

Bingo. Slime your way into the (Anti)Constitution Party web site and you'll see the talking points for the anti-Bush rhetoric - most of which have been successfully regurgitated here.

[My2Cents]

Party politics never overrule principle

The whole point of this posted article on the SOTU is that Bush's basic principles are conservative. How dense are you people?