[BJClinton]

In other words, you'd prefer to kill children rather than take their future money.

Hillary will love what you do for her...

Oh please, you were so eloquent up to that point. Think I want people to have abortions? Hardly. I live as a Christian by my choice and will not force someone else to do so. I pray my example will stir them to turn to Christ.

Now, back to our debate about fiscal conservatism, you seemed to avoid the fact that being a true fiscal conservative is the real litmus test. Abortion won't make or break this country; out-of-control spending, debt and bankruptcy will.

[Mo1]

Abortion won't make or break this country; out-of-control spending, debt and bankruptcy will

I agree that pork spending coming out of Congress needs to be control

But you do realize one of the big reasons for the deficit is due to the war on terror and the recession that Clinton left us with

Should we stop the war on terror??

Should we take back the tax cuts?

[Southack]

"Now, back to our debate about fiscal conservatism, you seemed to avoid the fact that being a true fiscal conservative is the real litmus test."

With all due respect, I didn't avoid your "true fiscal conservative" litmus test. In fact, I pointed out that liberal, radical pro-abortion Presidential candidates such as former Governor Howard Dean would score higher on your "true fiscal conservative" test than would those conservatives among us who would sign legislative bans on abortion, sign tax cuts into law, withdraw from the U.S. - CCCP ABM treaty, kill the Kyoto Global Warming nonsense, diss the International Criminal Court, cut rubbish regulations like co2 &logging firebreak restrictions, etc.

In other words, what you are asking for, i.e. fiscal conservatism, is something that could be found just as easily in a liberal pro-abortion, anti-defense candidate as in a pro-life, pro-defense President.

So your key litmus test has nothing to do with Conservatism per se...