So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Yes, like that.

Fools.

[Wolfstar]

Beautiful, just beautiful. A powerful image that makes the point better than mere words ever could.

[woodyinscc]

The question has to be asked - in the "swing" states, did he pick up more votes than he lost since 2000, as well as did he lose any states that were very close and went his way in 2000.

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[Howlin]

Needs repeating:

Anyone given this choice who would turn this nation and its security over to a Democrat is dangerous, and someone I consider my political enemy.

[Protagoras]

Apparently you have forgotten the ideology and agenda of those he must defeat.!

I haven't forgotten HIS ideology and agenda. I'm not interested in big government intrusion. I like my first amendment rights. I like my privacy. I like the enforcement of immigration laws. I like my private schools private. I like the government to abstain from getting involved in having children piss in bottles.

[Bikers4Bush]

It was not a disruptor and considering the fact that 35% of illegal aliens are on some form of government assitance and most of them get paid under the table I have no doubts they will be able to come up with $1,500 easier than I would.

[windchime]

"This stuff is shrill and goofy."

Thanks! What a relief. I thought you were referring to the desire for national security as shrill and goofy.

[b4its2late]

You forgot to mention Al Sharpton....... One could always write him in....

I'm voting for W.

[Wolfstar]

Re your 635, very well stated, Tamsey. Could not agree with you more.

[Sabertooth]

"My administration will work with the Congress to increase the annual number of green cards that can lead to citizenship. "

That quote can no way be interpreted as "I will give illegal immigrants citizenship in the future".

That's not even the relevant quote. Here:

Some temporary workers will make the decision to pursue American citizenship. Those who make this choice will be allowed to apply in the normal way. They will not be given unfair advantage over people who have followed legal procedures from the start.
Text of Bush immigration speech
President outlines plan to give illegals legal status

The normal way is to get a green card, wait five years, then become a citizen.

So, under the Bush Amnesty, "temporary workers," millions of whom would be legalized-Illegals, "will be allowed to apply in the normal way" for U.S. citizenship.

So, the Bush Amnesty would put Illegals on the path to U.S. citizenship, it just wouldn't be "automatic," which is the operative word to be parsed in this bit of Bush/Rove harisplitting:

I opposed amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship. Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration.
Text of Bush immigration speech
President outlines plan to give illegals legal status

The difference between "automatic path to citizenship" and Illegal Alien eligibility for a non-automatic path to citizenship under the Bush Amnesty is the need for a blue card before a green card. That's it.

[Nanodik]

I bet you never voted for him in the first place.

You need to read my original posting again.

And I love the way you insinuated that if we don't agree with you, we're in favor of socialism.

The standard Bushbot argument is "if you don't vote for Dubya you're helping elect a democrat". My point is that Bush is more dangerous than a democrat. If you truly want limited govt, then the best you can hope for is gridlock. Some people believe that by voting GWB they are voting the lesser of two evils because they are comparing GWB to whoever the Dems will nominate. That is not what one should compare. What they need to compare is the Bush administration with a Rep congress vs. a Dem administration with a Rep congress. I think we fare better with the latter.

[Protagoras]

You need to re-read before you post. I never addressed the popularity polls. I reject the claim that 91% of Republicans support his policies as a BLANKET STATEMENT. It's a fairy tale until someone can prove it, and so far, no one has come close.

[looscnnn]

"do you think it's wrong to have accountability from the schools the make sure our kids are learning?"

Not at all, but that is a minor part of the bill. How about doing a major overhaul of the system instead of just throwing more money at it?

How about the AWB? How about defending the Constitution? How about denouncing the USSC ruling on those guys from Texas? How about not applauding the USSC ruling on the U of M case about affirmative action? How about dragging feet on getting pilots trained for having guns in cockpits?

Yes, Bush has done a decent job as far as National Security and the WOT. Some issues need to be resolved still. He has done a decent job on taxes. Doing ok on turning around the economy, but there are still questions in regards to jobs.

[Neets]

I feel my pain

[ohioWfan]

The willfully blind will still be blind, but those who have some sense of vision left, may, in the end, understand the weight of the decision they will be making in November.

It is to vote for the safety, strength and honor of this country, or to vote for a Dem.

The other choices......to stay home, or to vote for a third party loser, are a vote for the latter, and may well result in disaster......

[WoofDog123]

" And Bush is the only one running who qualifies."

I am in qualified agreement; Bush is clearly pro-military, and is more pro-american than any of his dnc opponents or HRC. On the other hand, he, like pretty much all major candidates, represents the interests of american multinational corporations. Whether it is wholesale exportation of jobs to whatever the country of the moment is (in addition to manufacturing attrition, the new fad of the moment is remote call centers, mainly in India), a trade deficit with china that in great parts funds their military and government, etc.

The major parties are pretty much in lockstep on 90% of issues that involve government (and its expansion), Bush included. The 10% they don't agree on (guns, abortion, some views on new social spending) is given a lot of play to create the illusion of difference in our choices. The major exception to this is appointment of judges and the method/motives by which the military is used in foreign policy.

To me, bush is clearly the lesser of the electable evils. The idea of a kerry, dean or worst of all HRC is a nightmare.

[MEG33]

You will not be more likely to get that voting for a dem or a third party so what will you do?

[Bikers4Bush]

That is by far the most pathetic attack I have seen to date.

Are you really prepared to call those of us who have voted straight party GOP for 20+ or more years psychologically impaired because we have finally become fed up?

That is truly pathetic and unworthy of this forum.

[MJY1288]

I agree, and that's why I ignore most of them. In most cases they are whining about something that has either not happened or some distorted interpretation of the facts that has been regurgetated in the New York Times. Take for an example, the quote you posted, somehow that direct quote from the POTUS has become something totally different in the minds of some here. To argue over it is as useless as asking a blind man if he likes the new high definition Plasma TV's

[billbears]

Voting third party at a time of war, both at home and abroad, when the only real choices are a moderately conservative (or conservatively moderate) incumbent, and the incarnation of evil in our society, is lunacy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.