So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[zook]

What I find ridiculous (there're very few things I "hate") is that anyone calling themselves a conservative would act in a way that would ensure an far far wider array of liberal-left policies to become law, i.e., by helping a Kerry, an Edward, a Clark, or a Dean to become president.

I also find it ridiculous for a conservative to imagine that they can only vote for those who completely toe the line to their own conservative agenda. If you doubt the absurdity of this, simply consider that by the standards being applied here, you would have to have voted against every Republican president and candidate over the past 50 years.

[Southack]

"Oh come on. Bush is no conservative, and most everyone that's honest, knows this."

I disagree. Bush banned Partial Birth Abortion. That's the number one litmus test for true conservatives: banning abortion. Some talk it. Bush did it.

Bush killed the Kyoto Global Warming treaty. Again, that's conservative.

Bush killed the U.S. - CCCP ABM treaty so that we can finally defend our great nation from rogue nuclear-armed ICBM's. That's pretty conservative in my book, too.

Bush has cut federal income taxes (and dividend taxes, and estate taxes, etc.) so much that a family of four earning $40,000.00 per year only pays $4 per *month* in federal income taxes. That's pretty conservative.

Bush is leading an outstanding effort in our war on Terrorism, with nary a feigned nod to the globalists who want America bowing to the UN at every turn. That's pretty conservative, as well.

It's fine to have complaints against Bush. No one is perfect...but Bush has done more conservative things in office over the last 3 years than even President Reagan managed to accomplish in 8.

For instance, Bush ordered Ashcroft to inform the Supreme Court that the new OFFICIAL U.S. position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports our INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms. In contrast, Reagan continued Carter's liberal "collective right" position on the 2nd. Bush also signed the first ever federal repeal of gun control when he legalized the carrying of firearms by pilots.

Complain about those things not being enough, fine, just don't call them liberal.

[onyx]

It's about that time for a reminder of who comprises GWB's "base" of support and who does not.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Bush is no conservative, and most everyone that's honest, knows this. It has become painfully, inordinately clear. The man is a globalist. America is just another member that needs to be downsized.

Thus sayeth the "truest of the true conservatives".

Why thank you Dane. I appreciate that.

[Texas Federalist]

Uh Reagan won a landslide in 84 with a less of the percentage of the base supporting him.

No kidding, and the numbers that Howlin is relying on show that Bush does not have nearly the support that Reagan had among Democrats and independants to support an erosion in Bush's base.

[CSM]

"You better whoa down there a minute. Because I stayed home and raised 5 good Americans, I haven't EARNED the right to vote?"

No, you haven't earned it. It is a precious gift given to you by those that have earned it. It is still your right to vote.

[Howlin]

I don't care about their ballots. I wish they would stop telling me that they're not going to vote for him and just not vote for him.

It's the acting like their more principled that we are that gets to me.

And it's the out and out "misstatements" of what he actually IS doing that bothers most of us.

[deport]

True .. it's the BS from the CP and how they think we need to put another Dem in the WH to teach republicans a lesson that bothers me

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That's my point..... They can't really influence it and therefore they aren't worth the bother or energy to argue with them. They aren't going to persuade many and what few they do wouldn't vote Republican anyway..... If they are basically ignored they become totally irrelevant, imo. Now others such as the LP or any other that gets the name recognition and the money to fund a race then they can become more of a threat..... This bunch isn't and won't be for years to come....

[Pern]

Are you aware that the veterans, according to John Kerry and his pack of jackals, will be voting for HIM this year?

Kerry's full of it, only the veteran's lacking common sense will vote for him!

[onyx]

Maybe both roads end up at the same place, so then it really would not matter.

Wrong. And you're dangerously wrong.

[ohioWfan]

You've got at least ONE part right, ex.

THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY IS AT STAKE!

We can't AFFORD to have a Dem in the Oval Office IF WE CARE ABOUT MORALITY!

(You were afraid to go toe to toe and see who's more moral, weren't ya?)

[PhiKapMom]

You voted for a man unfit to serve as President.

That's the truth. The rest of the Country refused to listen to Texans about Ross Perot. I still cannot believe he received so many votes!

[Howlin]

only the veteran's lacking common sense will vote for him!

Do you not see what you're posting?

That's the EXACT same thing you all are saying to us.

[looscnnn]

"Your way of thinking, Jesse Jackson will be back sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom,"

Did I say that? Say it with me, nooooooo. I knew you could. I said that they run the country. Face the facts, we have PC because of them. We have the destruction of morals, etc. because of them. Nobody will pass laws that run counter to what they want. They run the country, plain and simple.

[jmcclain19]

ping

[Texas Federalist]

You really don't believe what you wrote that you could compare Pres Bush to Bob Dole as candidates?

PhiKapMom is right. I wouln't compare Bush to Dole. I would compare him to his father, who lost his base, and the election, with the Tax hike.

[looscnnn]

"if Al Sharpton gets 30% of the votes in SC, he will be there too.!!"

Well, first he needs to get the Dem nomination, that won't happen. So stop being paranoid.

[Mo1]

you are correct

[Howlin]

Well, I just don't seem to be able to get any of these people to answer my question.

[ought-six]

"In the case of George W. Bush, on a host of issues, this has been the most conservative president since Ronald Reagan. In some respects, more conservative."

Ummm, there were only two presidents between RR and W: George H.W. Bush and the Toon. Hardly the stuff for valid comparison.