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Al-Qaida will do whatever it takes to assure Bush is re-elected (unbelievable gag alert)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 1/21/2004 | Gwynne Dyer

Posted on 01/21/2004 10:54:34 PM PST by Utah Girl

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To: Utah Girl
These are some sick, sick people.
21 posted on 01/22/2004 12:39:16 AM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: weegee
One thing that terrorists have learned is that the US is defiant from dealing with terrorists. Now there is currrent (and past) challenges that may make policy exceptions.

"Seems to me that we were told that we wouldn't have had problems with the Middle East if we'd just pull out support of Israel."

Who's brainchild theory is this? If the dog wouldn't have stopped to crap he may have caught the rabbit!

22 posted on 01/22/2004 1:07:09 AM PST by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: Utah Girl
Terrorists generally rant about their goals but stay silent about their strategies, so now we have to do a little work for ourselves. If the real goal is still revolutions that bring Islamist radicals to power, then how does attacking the West help? Well, the U.S. in particular may be goaded into retaliating by bombing or even invading various Muslim countries -- and in doing so, may drive enough aggrieved Muslims into the arms of the Islamist radicals that their long-stalled revolutions against local regimes finally get off the ground.

Most analysts outside the United States long ago concluded that that was the principal motive for the 9-11 attack. They would add that by giving the Bush administration a reason to attack Afghanistan, and at least a flimsy pretext for invading Iraq, al-Qaida's attacks have paid off handsomely. U.S. troops are now the unwelcome military rulers of more than 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, and people there and elsewhere are turning to the Islamist radicals as the only force in the Muslim world that is willing and able to defy American power.

Actually her analisys was quite correct up to this point. But to think that the purpose of 9/11 was to goad us to come in and take their private nation state in Afghanistan and overthrow Saddam is absurd. After 8 years of Clinton, and 30 years of America's generally weak and incoherent response to Arab terrorism, I doubt in their wildest dreams they ever imagined we would do so. No, they believed they were safe to strike at us, and we were too effete and degenerate to wade in after them. They figured we would cut and run at the first US casualties, just like Lebanon and Somalia.

What she is attributing to them is the classic Marxist guerilla strategy where the insurgents strike at the government to provoke a harsh response against the people, which in turn drives the people towards the guerillas. But here statement that "U.S. troops are now the unwelcome military rulers of more than 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, and people there and elsewhere are turning to the Islamist radicals as the only force in the Muslim world that is willing and able to defy American power" is completely false. We are not rulers, nor are we unwelcome. We are liberators and protectors, and the vast majority of people in those countries are afraid we will leave, not anxious to drive us out. Her leftist roots are showing in her assumption that the locals must view us as oppressors.

23 posted on 01/22/2004 1:17:52 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

And he also oughta know better.............FRegards

24 posted on 01/22/2004 1:40:19 AM PST by gonzo ("Apres Moe, Le Deluge " -------------------------- Larry and Curly get wet............)
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To: gonzo
Terrorists goal is to create terror. I do feel that the code red or yellow monkey business that emanates from Ridge's office is foolish. You have to consider that crying wolf so many times has the effect of deadening the public to a real emergency in the future. Law enforcement and military can be alerted without going through the process of national emergencies on public airways.
25 posted on 01/22/2004 3:17:47 AM PST by meenie
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To: Utah Girl
They would add that by giving the Bush administration a reason to attack Afghanistan, and at least a flimsy pretext for invading Iraq, al-Qaida's attacks have paid off handsomely.

Al-Qaeda has brought abject humiliation to the region. The "Arab street" watches as the Taliban is annihilated and a non-Islamist regime takes over, the regions biggest and most powerful bully is summarily and publicly whipped, the families of martyrs see the senders of their sons scurry like rats to caves and spider holes, and the one who has been sending money to them, embarrassingly can't even martyr himself. The same Arab street seen ululating in celebration at the viewing of our dead and dying in NYC, once privately and now publicly caution restraint. They now find the Great Satan in their midst, this time with anger and a sense of resolve not seen before.

Humiliation.

Coming soon, capitulation.

26 posted on 01/22/2004 5:59:11 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: texasflower
"They seem to have an endless capacity for idiocy."

I suspect it is not a coincidence that the Party's symbol is a jackass!

27 posted on 01/22/2004 6:07:06 AM PST by verity
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To: endthematrix
It's not a theory that I endorse but those at the antiAmericanWar/ProPalestinianWas rallies last year (here sold a "peace" rallies) certainly advanced that notion.
28 posted on 01/22/2004 9:21:11 AM PST by weegee
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To: JoelM
Welcome to Free Republic.
Since Jan 22, 2004

You will need to expand on your post if you want me to begin to comprehend your post.
29 posted on 01/22/2004 9:25:44 AM PST by weegee
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To: Utah Girl
Dyer is one of the most thoroughly silly strategic thinkers in publication at the current moment - this piece is so riddled with errors of logic and wild historical misrepresentations that one hardly knows where to begin.

One need not guess what al-Qaeda has in mind, or, more importantly, project already-discredited leftist geopolitics onto their face. One need only listen to them, and although Dyer has quoted them he clearly believes they're after something else. Baffling. Their clear, stated intent behind WTC was twofold: (1) to destabilize Western governments ("bring them to their knees" is their locution, not Dyer's) and (2) unify and energize the Arab world under the command of Jihad, and not their current national governments. Neither has happened. What has happened is that the reins that internationalists such as Dyer perceived were controlling U.S. policy turned out to be imaginary, al-Qaeda has been delegitimized and militarily defeated, and the Arab world national governments have, each of them, formed a response to this ranging from Egyptian retrenchment to Saudi covert civil war to Libyan accommodation. Those who lagged, the Syrians and the Iranians, are in a state of hurried review at the moment.

What is truly jaw-dropping is Dyer's assertion that al-Qaeda approves of all of this and will take whatever actions it can to see that it continues. He is truly existing in an alternate reality here, one so divorced from the one we inhabit that I am not certain that meaningful communication between the two is possible. This weird little piece certainly isn't it.

30 posted on 01/22/2004 9:45:28 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Utah Girl
As well as I can determine, what she is saying is that AQ will attack the US to make sure President Bush is re-elected, and that AQ will cease all attacks to make sure President Bush is re-elected. Therefore, whther AQ attacks or not, they will be trying to get President Bush re-elected.

Then, she also seems to be saying that AQ wants the US to expand its military takeovers to more Muslim countries so that they can defeat the West.

Sure, it all makes sense. About as much sense as: "She said: 'There is no reason And the truth is plain to see.' But I wandered through my playing cards And would not let her be One of sixteen vestal virgins Who were leaving for the coast And although my eyes were open They might just as well be closed And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face at first just ghostly Turned A Whiter Shade Of Pale."

31 posted on 01/22/2004 10:00:07 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: weegee
It seems you missed the second half of the sentance "What demands could the Islamist terrorists of al-Qaida possibly make that the United States could conceivably grant?"

The US wouldnt grant anoyne even remotely affiliated with Al-Qaeda jack shit. Giving in to terrorist demands would utterly destroy what little credibility the Bush administration still has in Europe.
After the harsh criticism against anyone who did any kind of buisness with Iraq, the US has pretty much painted itself into a corner when it comes to negotiating with terrorists.

Now, if Al-Qeada thought they could get away with any demands... dont you think they would have made at least one by now?

Have they?

/Joel
32 posted on 01/22/2004 3:52:24 PM PST by JoelM
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To: Utah Girl
For more of Ms. Dyer's work, click here.

But watch your blood pressure.

I'm not kidding.

33 posted on 01/22/2004 3:56:05 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Utah Girl
She's nuts. They'd rather see hundreds or thousands of Americans bombed and murdered in the US, than allow that we have a right to defend ourselves. Their problem is simple-- envy. They can't stand the fact that we're the strongest nation in the world, the happiest, the free-est, and that we don't care what the rest of the world does. Just leave us alone, please! They're like two year olds throwing temper tantrums because mommy and daddy aren't paying attention.
34 posted on 01/22/2004 4:02:56 PM PST by hershey
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Thanks for the biography of Gwynne. I know he is a male, I just forgot to post that little piece of info. My local newspaper faithfully prints his little editorials.
35 posted on 01/22/2004 8:24:22 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: mewzilla
The local liberal paper here prints all of his editorials. And I usually post them at FR, just for the comments they receive. Thanks for the link. :)
36 posted on 01/22/2004 8:26:25 PM PST by Utah Girl
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