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In the FDNY, slurs are more than horseplay (A culture of hate toward gays, women, minorities)
NY Daily News ^ | January 21, 2004 | TOM RYAN

Posted on 01/21/2004 7:57:55 AM PST by presidio9

New York's firefighters are known by many names. Traditionally, they are called the Bravest. After 9/11, many called us the Heroes. Within the FDNY, some refer to themselves as the Brotherhood. Unfortunately, many firefighters have other names for their colleagues that are racial, ethnic or sexual slurs. I know, because I served more than 20 years in the FDNY, and I'm also a gay man. I heard those terms used and saw them scrawled on walls countless times in firehouses throughout the city.

On New Year's Eve, one firefighter attacked another in an assault preceded by what some newspapers are calling "a homosexual slur." The victim has been hospitalized with severe head injuries.

FDNY spokesmen call the assault an isolated incident resulting from "horseplay." Mayor Bloomberg called it an "altercation." Some reports have portrayed verbal harassment as a firefighter's rite of passage.

These descriptions are unbelievably dismissive. An anti-gay slur followed by a physical attack is not horseplay, whether the victim is gay or not. It is a hate crime. Likewise, the widespread use of slurs is not a harmless form of teasing. Its purpose is to create a climate of fear.

Such intimidation is not limited to gays. I often witnessed the outrageous harassment that women and minority firefighters endure. This overt cruelty is meant to create a work environment so unbearable that they will eventually quit the force.

Unfortunately, the hostility continues today. The FDNY is approximately 95% white. In 1982, when women first gained admission, 38 women became firefighters. Since then, only 11 more have been hired.

I know gay firefighters who survived the collapse of the World Trade Center. But despite braving the worst hell anyone can imagine, they are afraid to live openly as gay men within the Brotherhood. Of the 343 firefighters killed on 9/11, more than 20 were gay men, including two men who were partners in life and the Rev. Mychal Judge, the beloved FDNY chaplain.

Verbal abusiveness may be a tradition in the FDNY but it has nothing to do with creating good firefighters. It is also a violation of the law. For the mayor and the department's officials to tolerate a culture of prejudice is unacceptable and an insult to the gay, lesbian and minority firefighters who have given their lives in the line of duty.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; US: New York
KEYWORDS: fdny; firefighter; firepeople; firepersons; firewomen; firewymen; gayfiremen; henryfitzpatrick; hickorydickorydock; homosexualagenda; homosexualslur; horseplay; itsfiremanok; mychaljudge; outtingdeadpeople; patrickfitzhenry; pc; pinkfiretruck; playingwithourhoses; prejudice; saintmychal; saladtosser; slur; thediceman; villagepeople; workplace
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To: tm22721
Verbal abusiveness has always plagued the bottom half of society including fire, police and the military.

I guess the "top half" must be lawyers, actors, and talk show hosts?

Rest easy, the "bottom half" will gladly rescue you from your burning Upper East Side loft, and their efforts abroad will keep your NASDAQ portfolio humming...

41 posted on 01/21/2004 9:34:14 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Jim Cane
That statement appears to be totally FALSE.
42 posted on 01/21/2004 9:35:03 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: presidio9
Tom, quit whining like a little bitch.

If my place is burning down, I don't give a damn if the firefighters are PC or not. What matters is if the fire is out, and everybody is safe.

43 posted on 01/21/2004 9:44:47 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("And it's worth the sweat, and it's worth the pain, cause the chance may never come again" -)
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To: KantianBurke
I love the Dice. I had his HBO special on laserdisc and must have played that thing a hundred times.
44 posted on 01/21/2004 9:46:12 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
"I bet no one here woke up this morning and thought 'how can I help a midget'?" :>
45 posted on 01/21/2004 9:57:48 AM PST by KantianBurke (2+2 does NOT equal 5)
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To: Trampled by Lambs
You got it. And here's a little secret: any homosexual men who happen to wander into such a group often get a little thrill from hearing that sort of talk. They like to check out the straight guys, and they LOVE the attention.
46 posted on 01/21/2004 9:58:46 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: presidio9
I wonder when the Gay Heroes of 9/11 Memorial is going to be built?
47 posted on 01/21/2004 10:02:17 AM PST by kingu (Remember: Politicians and members of the press are going to read what you write today.)
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To: presidio9
And you have personal, certain knowledge that he was always celibate? How do you know that -- because he was a Catholic priest? Yeah, right, sure.
48 posted on 01/21/2004 10:15:45 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: arichtaxpayer
They boooooo-d Hillary, that's good enough for me.

Do you know that when Viacom (or whoever) released that benefit concert on video, they edited out the booing at hill and bill. Those bastards. I have it taped live though.

49 posted on 01/21/2004 10:23:30 AM PST by petercooper (DEAN = Democrats Experiencing Another Nightmare)
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To: presidio9
On New Year's Eve, one firefighter attacked another in an assault preceded by what some newspapers are calling "a homosexual slur." The victim has been hospitalized with severe head injuries. FDNY spokesmen call the assault an isolated incident resulting from "horseplay." Mayor Bloomberg called it an "altercation." Some reports have portrayed verbal harassment as a firefighter's rite of passage.

With these paragraphs, the writer is already discredited by mischaracterizing what happend. Reasons for the fight also include alcohol and one firefighter accusing the other of taking advantage of his colleagues. It wasn't simply because of slurs.

50 posted on 01/21/2004 10:24:38 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: GovernmentShrinker; Jim Cane
Fr. Mychal Judge was not gay, and that was pretty well documented after 9/11.
51 posted on 01/21/2004 10:26:10 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: presidio9
Verbal abusiveness may be a tradition in the FDNY but it has nothing to do with creating good firefighters. It is also a violation of the law. For the mayor and the department's officials to tolerate a culture of prejudice is unacceptable and an insult to the gay, lesbian and minority firefighters who have given their lives in the line of duty.

To the New World Order, the primary function of every organization is not their mission. It is to indoctrinate the organization to the values of the NWO. That being said, an assault is an assault. If two guys were goofing around and one got hurt, that's different. No person should be assaulted on the job by coworkers, but the purpose of this article is to create an impetus to require cultural diversity training in the FD.

52 posted on 01/21/2004 10:35:08 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: presidio9
But despite braving the worst hell anyone can imagine, they are afraid to live openly as gay men within the Brotherhood.

Another shrill demand for "celebration". Sorry, Mr. Ryan. You are entitled to live as you please, and others are entitled to disapprove.

53 posted on 01/21/2004 10:37:38 AM PST by jimt
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To: ikka
Somebody tell this faggot to shut the hell up. Doh!
54 posted on 01/21/2004 10:45:00 AM PST by ohioman
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To: presidio9
These descriptions are unbelievably dismissive. An anti-gay slur followed by a physical attack is not horseplay, whether the victim is gay or not. It is a hate crime.

So, even though neither of the firemen involved in this fight were gay, it was a hate crime, because somebody said an anti-gay slur. Right.

55 posted on 01/21/2004 10:52:33 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: GovernmentShrinker
And you have personal, certain knowledge that he was always celibate? How do you know that -- because he was a Catholic priest? Yeah, right, sure.

And you have "personal, certain knowledge" that he was not always celibate? If so, I'm not sure I want to know where you got it.

Or who you plan on giving it to.

An accusation of homosexuality on a priest is a very serious charge. It is you who needs to document that chage.

And, yes, BTW, the vast vast majority of Catholic priests do honor their vows.

56 posted on 01/21/2004 10:53:35 AM PST by presidio9 (protectionism is a false god)
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To: BlessedBeGod
With these paragraphs, the writer is already discredited by mischaracterizing what happend. Reasons for the fight also include alcohol and one firefighter accusing the other of taking advantage of his colleagues. It wasn't simply because of slurs.

Yep. The one who got sent to the hospital had a rookie work his Thanksgiving shift, then worked the shift anyway to get extra overtime. The other guys were ragging on him for the next month about doing that.

57 posted on 01/21/2004 10:56:34 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: arichtaxpayer
Does anyone have a link for the booing of HRC video?
58 posted on 01/21/2004 10:56:37 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: gathersnomoss
Does anyone have a link for the booing of HRC video?

Speaking of Hillary, Father Mike's was the one and only 911 funeral she attended. After the gay community decided to turn Judge into a martyr for their cause Hillary headed right up to her adopted home state to console them. 300+ other firemen received no such commiseration.

Father Mike reached out to a lot of people. If he were gay, his most likely way of dealing with it would have been to addressing it publicly: "Look, I'm a gay man, but with God's help I'm trying to be celibate."

59 posted on 01/21/2004 11:07:44 AM PST by presidio9 (protectionism is a false god)
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To: presidio9
Did he die because of a fatal heart attack? The excellent video that was filmed from inside the towers did not indicate his fate.
60 posted on 01/21/2004 11:21:46 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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