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What ever danger Dean was for Bush, Clark and Kerry are more dangerous especially now that Dean has shown that they can get away with a heavy confrontational and antagonistic attack approach towards Bush, IMHO. (potentially). My instincts tell me the Dems, if the Dems field Kerry/Clark combination they will try and negate Bush foreign policy based on confronting Bush and Cheney on their lack of military record and in contrast to their (Kerry/Clark that is) military achievements. Take nothing for granted. These are not Dukakis on a tank type of Democrats.
1 posted on 01/19/2004 10:55:16 PM PST by Destro
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Don't bet the house on it, "F-in'" Kerry....Opps. He already did.
2 posted on 01/19/2004 11:13:09 PM PST by My2Cents ("Failure is not an option.")
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Gen. Wesley Clark, hero of inconclusive wars not in America's vital interest. And John Kerry, hero of the Vietnam war, who returned only to vehemently protest that war, dramatically throwing away "his medals" during a protest demonstration, only to have those medals show up in his office when he was elected to public office. Turns out the medals he threw away weren't really his.
3 posted on 01/19/2004 11:18:08 PM PST by My2Cents ("Failure is not an option.")
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But by late afternoon he hopped back on his campaign bus, the Real Deal Express...

Oh my. This seriously pegged my Gag-O-Meter.

13 posted on 01/19/2004 11:38:05 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I love my Green Bay Packers! GO PATRIOTS!)
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>>>What ever danger Dean was for Bush, Clark and Kerry are more dangerous especially now that Dean has shown that they can get away with a heavy confrontational and antagonistic attack approach towards Bush...

Dean got away with nothing. The Iowa caucus involved a bunch of partisan liberal Democrats who feed on the type of red meat that Dean offered. There was a problem though. After two solid years of campaigning in Iowa, Dean went overboard with his bigmouth and sent his campaign into total meltdown.

And if John Kerry gets the nomination, he has absolutely no chance of winning any southern states, even if he picks Wes Clark as his runningmate. Clark is like Dean. Unprincipled and a bigmouth.

16 posted on 01/19/2004 11:42:32 PM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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I'll also throw out the theory that it doesn't really matter who George W.'s opponent is...

A re-election campaign is really a referendum on the previous four years. Show me a president who has won re-election in the last 100 years who wouldn't have if he had a better opponent.

The only example I can think of is Tom Dewey vs Truman... but Truman wasn't running for re-election.
17 posted on 01/19/2004 11:44:39 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Destro
Let's tally this one up:

Gephardt's gone, Dean is shockingly vulnerable, a patrician, achingly boring Massachusetts Democrat may once again have reached front-runner status, stirring up a matchup between him and a blatantly phony former general in New Hampshire who thought Kosovo was justifiable but Iraq isn't, and the one candidate with a winning personality (Edwards) is probably going to careen head-first into a brick wall in two weeks, despite his surprising showing tonight.

In addition, Kerry is running out of money. Lieberman, meanwhile, may not have been involved in Iowa, but I'm going to take the liberty of declaring his candidacy dead in absentia. From now on, this is going to be a fight amongst the wounded.

The victor, incidentally, gets to take on a popular president with a $200 million war chest.

Ooooh, I'm so scared!
22 posted on 01/20/2004 12:42:03 AM PST by Carthago delenda est (Just say "no" to Democrats.)
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Yeah, but does anyone think for a second (I'd be really surprised) that Hillary would allow a dem, any dem (except her, that is), to win the White House come November? If that happened, she can kiss her dream of being First Lady Prez goodbye--2012 is an eternity from now, and it would be so turn-off ballsy (from a woman like Hillary) to challenge a sitting president from her own party in 08.
24 posted on 01/20/2004 1:09:41 AM PST by gop_gene
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I think you're right, either one of these "goons" would make a race. Compare either of them up against Al Gore and they appear almost "animate". I think they'd pose a real threat in the race. Not that either one of them is worth a cent.
26 posted on 01/20/2004 2:49:21 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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The meat grinder has only made a quarter turn. We will have no less than 3 candidates on their home turf in New Hampshire: Dean, Lieberman, and Kerry, and then Clark who skipped Iowa for NH and is strong in the polls. We could see a totally different 1-2-3 there, leaving Mini Tuesday up for grabs because of no clear leader and the geographic spread of those states.

I question all the candidates' ability right now to gel nationwide momentum. None seems to have consistent support outside their own base. Therefore if Mini Tuesday and following primaries produce no clear leader, Super Tuesday's vote could come out fractured as well. It may take till Illinois to produce a clear leader. Not likely, but not impossible.

The only scenario I can see negate this is for Edwards to take the top 3 in NH, and ride victories in the southern states + a top 3 in Arizona to victory in Mini Tuesday. That would give him incredible momentum. Despite his liberal failings he has been a class act so far, and that could allow him to rise to the top.

Unless the Edwards scenario happens, the confusion could last awhile, the longer it goes the more it aids Bush.
27 posted on 01/20/2004 2:58:22 AM PST by Free Vulcan
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Anyone have the skinny on this guy: Michael Whouley. Apparently he's Kerry's secret weapon.
30 posted on 01/20/2004 4:15:28 AM PST by mewzilla
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Well, I just answered my own question :)

Check this out. He's a Clintonoid, too. Figgers.

31 posted on 01/20/2004 4:18:19 AM PST by mewzilla
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Kerry to Bush: 'We're coming, you're going'

Nah, you're not coming!! -- Wait 'til Bush tells America that you, Johnboy, didn't even have the balls to throw away YOUR OWN military medals! Charade.

32 posted on 01/20/2004 4:22:33 AM PST by thesummerwind (Like painted kites, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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Kerry and Clark both SUPPORTED the war. They can't take that back.
35 posted on 01/20/2004 4:29:15 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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Kerry to Bush: 'We're coming, you're going'

Bush to Kerry: 'I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello. Hello, hello'
41 posted on 01/20/2004 4:35:11 AM PST by William McKinley
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He told a young man wearing a "Dean for America" T-shirt, "I guess I can't get your" vote.

"Well, once you get there, I'll support you over Bush," the man replied.

So much for any sense of loyalty among Dem constituents, eh?

These "Anyone but Bush" people really enjoy showing the world that they're completely brainless and devoid of logical or critical thinking, don't they?

49 posted on 01/20/2004 4:43:44 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("By all that we hold dear on this Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!")
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he took aim at the Bush administration and special interests.

"We're coming, you're going, and don't let the door hit you on the way out," he said.

What an F'n joke!

F'n Kerry is talking about special interests and right in front of him are placards proclaiming: "Stand Up For Choice".

I'll take any special interest group that would court Bush over Planned Parenthood, PETA, Sierra Club, ELF, Greenpeace, NAACP, labor unions, NEA and all the other nut case special interests that ARE the DemocRATs.

53 posted on 01/20/2004 5:28:08 AM PST by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
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My instincts tell me the Dems, if the Dems field Kerry/Clark combination they will try and negate Bush foreign policy based on confronting Bush and Cheney on their lack of military record and in contrast to their (Kerry/Clark that is) military achievements.

Bush and Cheney fought two successful wars: Afghanistan and Iraq.

Clark won't be the VP nominee; he's too arrogant to take the second spot.

56 posted on 01/20/2004 5:46:02 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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I was just reading through our emails. One was from Amazon. Today, a day after the Kerry win in Iowa, we receive an advertisement from AMAZON.com for John Kerry's book, Tour of Duty, and I gotta wonder about the timing. Talk about an advertising strategery. Usually, when Amazon sends one of these solicitations, they list several books. Today, the only one listed is Kerry's book. Hmmmmm.
59 posted on 01/20/2004 5:50:55 AM PST by petitfour
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I disagree due to Kerry's record on military matters. And they are the party of Clintoon, whom they embraced, so they have no case now when they say it is required. Cheney was war hero George HW Bush's pick for Sec. of Defense and commended by many veterans, so what's the turn now in saying he's not great on those matters? Clark has his own problems with his mindlessness and having character and integrity issues and being despised. They aren't leaders and other matters will come into the campaign to continue to show it.
63 posted on 01/20/2004 6:00:51 AM PST by bushfamfan
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Heck,

The only thing elections are for nowadays is to trade big spender for big spender.
67 posted on 01/20/2004 6:15:38 AM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (On guard until the seal is broken)
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