Conservative groups break with Republican leadership

The Washington Times ^ | 1/16/2004 | Ralph Z. Hallow

[Ricardo4CP]

National leaders of six conservative organizations yesterday broke with the Republican majorities in the House and Senate, accusing them of spending like "drunken sailors," and had some strong words for President Bush as well...

[BigSkyFreeper]

The Democrats are against it for one reason and one reason only. They're Democrats. Talk about putting party ahead of country, just take a look at the Democrats. Whether you agree with it or not, Bush is the only one who's had the gall to even tackle the issue that's been largely ignored or spat upon from Washington on down to the local law enforcement level until now. I don't buy this argument that illegals can't be deported once caught. It's written in the law books.

[inchworm]

We will tell our politicians we don't want illegal immigration so what will they do? I got it, they'll make more immigration legal.

[sauropod]

ok. Peace.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

I am probably more Conservative than ever before even though I would be labeled Kool-Aid drinkin' Bush-bot by some on this forum.

And I still say, I have several friends who work for the Border Patrol who are there as we speak, ex-bunker buddies for a prior war. They all say that perimeter enforcement is next to impossible. I tend to believe them.

[sauropod]

Are you being this dense on purpose?

[harpo11]

Balderdash, plain and simple. Didn't Rush Limbaugh say "a tiger is a tiger."

Campaign Finance Reform was not supposed to happen either, but it did.

His proposal assumes that all of us believe in the tooth fairy, too! That all is copacetic with warm touchy feely illegal aliens being of honorable character and family values.

I know in my heart that if former president Bill Clinton ever uttered such a proposal all hell would break out, especially from the political right.

IMHO, President Bush did nothing to stop CFR, and he will do nothing but cater to a bunch of disrespectors of our laws and their special interest groups that support such policy of rewarding illegality with legality.

And, furthermore, I don't like the idea of creating a second class of human beings who are said to be willing to do the work Americans shun and abhor, meaning they are a source of cheaply paid servants and dirty work laborers.

[Indy Pendance]

Thanks.

[MEG33]

They have not yet said I'm such a great gal that they are not going to require me to pay taxes anymore.

[af_vet_1981]

Great ...
Another Conservatives For Dean movement ...
Just like Perot ...
Some people just don't learn.

[sauropod]

"even though I would be labeled Kool-Aid drinkin' Bush-bot by some on this forum."

BINGO! Give that man a ceegar.

[inchworm]

Don't we have that new battlefield shocking apparatus that can be attatched atop a humvee? A bunch of these would send em running

[BigSkyFreeper]

IMHO, President Bush did nothing to stop CFR, and he will do nothing but cater to a bunch of disrespectors of our laws and their special interest groups that support such policy of rewarding illegality with legality.That's why we need to be focused on Congress rather than Bush himself if we want immigration reform to be stopped at the pass. Once it gets out of Congress, you might as well blame Congress for allowing it to get to Bush's desk.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

The difference is, when their visas run out, they would have to leave at their own expense. While they are here, they will be accountable for their whereabouts, they pay taxes, support four economy and pay their own way.

What a radical concept!

[BigSkyFreeper]

If Bush vetoes something he proposed, that'll be a first, but I will guarantee you, if Congress allows it to get to Bush's desk, as sure as a snout on a pig's face, he'll sign it.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Are you making personal attacks again on purpose?

[inchworm]

It's called not being nieve.
Here's an example:
If I to the store to buy ham, and all they have is bologna, then I I don't buy it. In this case Bush is bologna.
The right not to vote is sometimes a good choice. I'd rather save the ace up the sleeve for later.

[inchworm]

They won't leave at their own expense. They don't leave at their own expense now, with or without a job.

[normy]

I just have real problems with him not vetoing any bill in his first term, not the noxious CFR, not the Farm Bill, not the Education Bill, not "Pills for Grandma" -- nothing. I have children. Bush is adding to what they will have to eventually pay off.

Ok the CFR is a bs bill but the Supremes upheld it, but who has it hurt most, Pubs or Dems? The Dems have used the issue to accuse the Republicans and to pose themselves as common folk fighting big Republican donors. Now the issue is off the table, the Republicans still rake in far more money because more small donors contribute to them and the Dems are now well known for their reliance on millionaire donors. Not only that but it requires Labor to get permission of its members to use their money for political intrests they may disagree with.

The farm bill was supposed to include further monies for emergency reasons or natural disasters. Of course the first natural disaster hits and Daschle asks for emergency funds. Bush I think learned a lesson on that one but it is understandable what he was thinking.

The education bill I think he believes in and the pills for grandma he campaigned on and I think if it was coming, and it was the way seniors vote it was, I think he took the right approach.

As for the deficit it took 5 or six years to pay the last one off and this will be the same thing. As soon as tax revenues rise the thing will be paid down. Surpluses I do not want because I do not want the gov't spending it.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

I believe that a show of deadly or stunning force, in order to detere impoverished people from looking for a better life, does not really bode well with the majority of people in this World anymore; Especially in America.

Of course, there are some criminal types among them, but the majority of them are simply wanting to find the American dream they hear so much about.

[af_vet_1981]

The right not to vote is sometimes a good choice

After September 11th everything changed. You may not be able to go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa, Asia, or some closer locale to risk your life to fight for our freedom but you can vote. If you don't vote you have dishonored those who gave their blood, their lives for your freedom. It is the least you can do.

A day may come when the courage of Men fail... when we forsake our friends, and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day.

This day, we fight!