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Conservative groups break with Republican leadership
The Washington Times ^ | 1/16/2004 | Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 01/17/2004 2:58:56 PM PST by Ricardo4CP

National leaders of six conservative organizations yesterday broke with the Republican majorities in the House and Senate, accusing them of spending like "drunken sailors," and had some strong words for President Bush as well...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: amnestyforillegals; armey; beckner; bush; bush43; constitution; cpac; healthcare; hispander; panderer; pandering; party; pork; prescriptiondrug; socializedmedicine; spending; weyrich
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To: sauropod
What's the problem?
321 posted on 01/17/2004 6:43:34 PM PST by Consort
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To: Afronaut
So, would you prefer that President Bush did not bring this issue up for debate?
322 posted on 01/17/2004 6:43:50 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I love the title of this headline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's about time. Sometimes the only way to get your point across is to throw your weight around.
323 posted on 01/17/2004 6:43:51 PM PST by inchworm
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To: Afronaut
So you're going to hang Bush for even bringing the issue up for public debate?

It's a freakin proposal, it's neither law or set in stone!

Geez, how many times does one have to say this?

324 posted on 01/17/2004 6:45:00 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: inchworm
Bush better wake up. I think this amnesty for illegals garbage is going to be the equivalent of his fathers tax cut. When it comes to Bush.
1. Campaign finance reform pissed us off.
2. Medicare infuriated us.
3. Coddling to illegal aliens has him pulling the shortest straw.
325 posted on 01/17/2004 6:48:40 PM PST by inchworm
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Bush better wake up. I think this amnesty for illegals garbage is going to be the equivalent of his fathers tax cut. When it comes to Bush.
1. Campaign finance reform pissed us off.
2. Medicare infuriated us.
3. Coddling to illegal aliens has him pulling the shortest straw.

326 posted on 01/17/2004 6:49:20 PM PST by inchworm
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To: Afronaut
What do I have on record?

Oh about 200+ years of recorded history, not to mention the struggle that the East germans had for 45 years trying to control a few miles of the Berlin wall.

People still went through it in spite of the security measures they took.

327 posted on 01/17/2004 6:50:01 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: inchworm
The "amnesty for illegals garbage" won't even be introduced in the House until after the election is all said and done. If you want to bolt for a third party based on the fact Bush even proposed such a piece of legislation, without corresponding with your Congresspeople, more power to you.
328 posted on 01/17/2004 6:51:08 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Some Freakin Proposal!

Shows some of us where his brains are. IF this were Billy Clinton's Freakin Proposal you would have popped your cork by now... Some Proposal. Seal the borders first, then talk to me about your plans to give my country away.

329 posted on 01/17/2004 6:55:28 PM PST by Afronaut (Press two for English)
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To: King Black Robe
Blind loyalty is never a good thing.

Yes, that is true. Faith and trust are different from blind loyalty. IMHO, many voters who continue to support President Bush, trust the man. That does not mean we totally agree with him.

Proposing solutions to "Third Rail" broken programs like Social Security, Medicare, Education, and Immigration is not a popular thing to do. They aren't going to heal themselves. The status quo will no longer suffice.

I will vote for George Bush again in 2004, not because I think he is the lesser of two evils, but because I have faith that he will continue to tackle problems long neglected by his predecessors. He will not solve them all, but, IMHO, he will not run from them or pretend they do not exist.

Increasing the number of conservatives in the House and Senate is essential to placing conservative judges on our Appeals Courts and Supreme Court, where several retirements are expected during the next four years. The Executive Branch nominates. I'm not willing to see liberal judges nominated by a President Dean, or Kerry, or Edwards, or Clintonark.

America's form of government is a Representative Republic. If our members of Congress are unresponsive, let's work to replace them with those more in tune with our wishes.

330 posted on 01/17/2004 6:56:42 PM PST by auboy (Put a smile on your face. Make some time each morning to count your blessings.)
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To: NewLand
I think I got it and you missed it...moondoggie?

Newland? You got it :)

331 posted on 01/17/2004 6:57:42 PM PST by moondoggie
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To: Afronaut
In the time that it took you to reply to my post, imagine how many illegals crossed into America, then you can talk to me about your plans to seal the borders.
332 posted on 01/17/2004 6:58:39 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: jgrubbs
Funny when they took away the local control I guess the current party stopped be conservative.

BTW where is the mandate for the DOE in the Constitution.

333 posted on 01/17/2004 6:59:32 PM PST by dts32041 ("Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed" RAH)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I concerned my Republican congress people about campaign finance reform, and Medicare and in both cases they followed Bush like the blind. How can I now trust them with the Illegals issue? Furthermore; if Bush gets elected then he will be in his second term, will have nothing to lose, and then will even take this wacky radical idea as far as he can. Remember he controls the border patrol, and Immigration. He'd probably even reduce their budget so they can't do their job half as well as they do now. And I'm sure Vicente Fox would find that pleasing
334 posted on 01/17/2004 7:00:14 PM PST by inchworm
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To: moondoggie; sauropod
"Newland? You got it" :)

Thanks moondoggie for the clarification.

Well, sauropod...retraction in order?

335 posted on 01/17/2004 7:03:03 PM PST by NewLand (Gore speech on global warming cancelled due to record cold!)
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To: Afronaut
So far, you and those like you have offered no counter proposal to the one Bush proposed, other than personally insulting fellow posters as "boot lickers" and "blind ideologues" and threats of bolting to some irrelevant third party. Offer up something more humane than "shooting any illegals on sight". I'd suggest enforcing the laws on the books, rather than legislating more laws on top of existing laws, which seems to be old hat nowadays. Akin to legislating stupidity.
336 posted on 01/17/2004 7:04:01 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: dts32041
BTW where is the mandate for the DOE in the Constitution.

It's not, I am in favor of abolishing the DOE. All pouring more money into the system will do is increase the dumbing down of America.

337 posted on 01/17/2004 7:04:30 PM PST by jgrubbs
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To: inchworm
Unlike you, I'm optimistic.
338 posted on 01/17/2004 7:05:36 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
One of the problems with closing the border is, it happens to be several hundred miles long and covers such a vast area. it would be difficult to do even with several hundred thousand troops and a solid fence built across it.

A new great wall is not the way, or at least not the most important aspect. The way to go is employer sanctions. The employers of illegal aliens are willing to pay the odd fine here and there (yes, I know these are hardly assessed anymore, but if they were the employers would be willing to pay). What the employers are NOT willing to do is to go to federal prison. Not even for a month or two. So we need a two step process. First, make it easy for employers to know who is legal. This will ruffle a few feathers of civil liberties extremists but will not require turning the country into a police state. Then, haul into criminal court a few hundred employers who continue to employ illegals. Do this, and most employers will fire their illegals in fear. Them most illegals will soon stream home, leaving INS to work on those who are left.

The President didn't clearly call for this because it would create some short-term human suffering. But let's not say it can't be done. In fact, the President gave Americans the impression that it would be done by saying that there would be increased penalties for employers who hire illegals rather than those under the new three year visas. Also, listeners were given the impression that employers would be punished if they gave a three-year visa holder a job without offering it to American citizens first. Since employers for various reasons won't be willing to live up to the three year visa rules*, the Bush plan can really be interpreted as send-them-home in disguise. Whether it will be depends on Congress and on whether the President was serious about giving citizens first dibbs.

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* Reason 1: Employers' labor needs are often last minute, any last minute by definition violates the give citizens a chance to apply first rule. Reason 2: Advertising is the only realistic way to show you offered the job to Americans, and employers won't want to have their customers see that they are advertsing three-year-visa type jobs. Reason 3, the biggy: According to the President, the employers have to take a qualified citizen over an alien who appears on interview to be a harder worker, or whom the employer knows from experience is a good worker. Employers will find this new intrusive government regulation, requiring the hiring of any old American citizens over harder-working aliens, to be an intolerable intrusion into how they run their business.

339 posted on 01/17/2004 7:06:46 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: jgrubbs
No. I mean our choice will be between Bush and some Dumbocrat. I'll take Bush. Those are our ONLY two choices.
340 posted on 01/17/2004 7:06:49 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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