Conservative groups break with Republican leadership

The Washington Times ^ | 1/16/2004 | Ralph Z. Hallow

[Ricardo4CP]

National leaders of six conservative organizations yesterday broke with the Republican majorities in the House and Senate, accusing them of spending like "drunken sailors," and had some strong words for President Bush as well...

[Willie Green]

I disagreed with you, that still does not make me disrespectful in the way I observe you.

I fail to see how an inaccurate and adolescent smear about "leftist sludge from the cesspool of Marxist thinking" is either logical or respectful.
You failed on both counts.
But that's why I keep a list of screen names of those I don't think are worth responding to any more.
John Robinson has promised to someday implement an "ignore this poster" filter in the software, and I'll be grateful that I will no longer have to look at such superficial nonsense.

[eskimo]

Not at all.

Well it is there for everyone read.

[jgrubbs]

From everything I've heard, the CP is opposed to our war against the enemy jihadists. All of the CP writings that I have see suggest that we shouldn't be fighting them.

This is from Michael Peroutka, who is currently the party's designated "provisional" Presidential candidate for 2004. :

"It's not that Congress doesn't have the authority to declare war. It's just that it hasn't done so." However, he emphasizes that
he strongly supported the US troops in Iraq while opposing "the unconstitutional procedures under which they were committed to fight."

[sauropod]

"You should read these threads closer. I see most Bush supporters as very logical and respectful. I happen to be one of them."

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Stop it! You're killing me.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Read it, study it, memorize it, I don't care. If it bothers you that much, so be it.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, I'm biting my tongue and biding my time. I have absolutely no desire to give up and cede political power back to the Democrats. I know exactly who they are and what they will do. I'm holding out for a larger Republican majority and am looking forward to a more conservative court. I know that that is impossible to achieve with a President Dean or President Gephardt, et al, and the potential of having a more conservative court is far too important to me to throw it away. There may never ever be an equal opportunity in the remainder of my lifetime.

I'm seeing a lot of opposition to the Immigration Reform plan from all corners, Republican, Democrat, third party, and even right here on FR. The best advice I can give is to keep after the Congress. They and they alone have the constitutional authority to regulate immigration. Write to them. Call them. Make sure they understand what you want them to do. If they don't hear it from you, who will they hear it from? And what will they hear?

[sauropod]

" The malcontnents are easy to point out."

"Your Papers Please!"

[sauropod]

Stuff yourself!

[EGPWS]

Blind loyalty is never a good thing.

I agree, blind thinking as a whole isn't a good thing.

Personal decision through vast amounts of other persons input coupled with one's own common sense attitude is.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

I know, if you don't like someone's opinion, just attack them personnaly.

I was refering to the source of the article you posted a link to.

As far as my opinion is concerned, it is still what it is without any personal attacks withstanding.

[sauropod]

Glad to oblige ;-).

[jimkress]

In case you haven't noticed, we have boundless freedom

Oh Yeah?

Form a PAC and try to run a political ad that names a specific candidate 30 days before a primary and 60 days before a general election.

Try to own a gun in Washington DC or New York

Have your children try to pray (privately) in a public school or read a Bible during their free period.

Try, as a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, to not rent an apartment to people who do not share your beliefs (e.g. homosexuals).

Try to purchase and install a 3 gallon flush toilet in your home.

The list is endless ...

[EGPWS]

The best advice I can give is to keep after the Congress.

Good words of advice Jim!

[WorkingClassFilth]

"Everything's a no-no at FR except licking Commissar Bush's boots."

Hardly.

I criticize Bush with a fair frequency and nobody has ever given me one second's worth of hassle.

[King Black Robe]

Personal decision through vast amounts of other persons input coupled with one's own common sense attitude is.

Absolutely! No argument from me on that.

[BigSkyFreeper]

If Congress doesn't shoot the immigration proposal down, I'll be the first one to hold Congress' feet to the fire, for not standing up for what I think it the right thing to do. Proposing a piece of legislation is one thing, cowering in the face of what's right even after all this debate, and giving it the seal of approval is what angers me. If the immigration bill becomes law, it's Congress' fault for allowing it to happen, not Bush.

[sauropod]

Since you have tried to honestly approach this debate in a civil fashion, I will do the same.

Bush is a good man. He believes in God, is against abortion, and is prosecuting the WOT correctly.

I just have real problems with him not vetoing any bill in his first term, not the noxious CFR, not the Farm Bill, not the Education Bill, not "Pills for Grandma" -- nothing.

I have children. Bush is adding to what they will have to eventually pay off.

I have voted CP in the past. I cannot stomach their mislabeling of the Iraq action. That is something we should have done and I am proud to see that we stepped up to the plate and did it.

Bush is a good man. He may be the best of available options and I will probably vote for him. But he is no conservative. Of that, make no mistake.

[jgrubbs]

"The last time Congress declared war was on December 11, 1941, against Germany in response to its formal declaration of war against the United States. This was accomplished with wording that took less than one-third of a page, without any nitpicking arguments over precise language, yet it was a clear declaration of who the enemy was and what had to be done. And in three-and-a-half years, this was accomplished. A similar resolve came from the declaration of war against Japan three days earlier. Likewise, a clear-cut victory was achieved against Japan."

"The process by which we’ve entered wars over the past 57 years, and the inconclusive results of each war since that time, are obviously related to Congress’ abdication of its responsibility regarding war, given to it by Article I Section 8 of the Constitution."

"Congress has either ignored its responsibility entirely over these years, or transferred the war power to the executive branch by a near majority vote of its Members, without consideration of it by the states as an amendment required by the Constitution."

"Transferring authority to wage war, calling it permission to use force to fight for peace in order to satisfy the UN Charter, which replaces the Article I, Section 8 war power provision, is about as close to 1984 "newspeak" that we will ever get in the real world."

"Not only is it sad that we have gone so far astray from our Constitution, but it’s also dangerous for world peace and threatens our liberties here at home."

--Congressman Ron Paul, October 3, 2002

[sauropod]

I don't need to go anywhere and I don't need your approval.

[sauropod]

Hell, I had two posts yanked. I'm on a roll ;-).