Conservative groups break with Republican leadership

The Washington Times ^ | 1/16/2004 | Ralph Z. Hallow

[Ricardo4CP]

National leaders of six conservative organizations yesterday broke with the Republican majorities in the House and Senate, accusing them of spending like "drunken sailors," and had some strong words for President Bush as well...

[PersonalLiberties]

"I personally find the degree of emotional, almost irrational, devotion to Bush no matter what that I see from time to time, SCARY! Blind loyalty is never a good thing."

Well said.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

You should read these threads closer. I see most Bush supporters as very logical and respectful. I happen to be one of them.

The vicious attacks are not coming from us, it is coming from the Anti-Bush crowd. Believe me, respect is something most of them do not understand.

The majority have grown tired of the negative cynicism they bring to this forum. It gives lurkers a very bad image of us as a whole. If they are so unhappy with the President, and the GOP, they really need to go elsewhere.

[eskimo]

Howard Dean would thank you if he heard that.

Why do you say that? Do you think Dean is a conservative or do you think the GOP is not? It has to be one of those.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

Ref post #115. Thank you.

[sauropod]

Think it was already posted.

[Willie Green]

but if Bush kept those tarrifs up much longer it would have seriously harmed the industry.

False premise, even though Dubya's steel tariffs were an ineffective, pandering sham riddled with loopholes and exemptions.

[sauropod]

Sure! He'll listen. /sarc

[Ricardo4CP]

Uh Dane, how me what the RNC is doing to bolster support behind such an amendment. Talk is cheap, action and votes are what count. All the energy behind the proposed amendment is from pro-family groups aligned with the GOP. When's the last time you heard a Republican consgressman or senator on the talk shows representing the RNC in support of the amendment and encourage their fellow legislators to do the same?

I'll be waiting; you'll be looking for a while trying to find any news links or press releases.

And yes, I am aware that Reagan appointed O'Connor. What a dissapointment she has been ... shall we discuss her votes that have damaged the integrity of our Constitutional republic? Got plenty of those for ya...


-Ricardo

[King Black Robe]

IMO -- perhaps I'm wrong -- these people are not your political enemies. Far from it. Witness that they are members of FR. Issue for issue, they are not your enemy. They interpret the actions of Bush differently here and there. They, currently, are choosing to react differently in the voting booth, but they are NOT your enemy.

Anyone who has changed voting registration once can change again. It may be difficult to keep your cool when it happens, but writing them off as an enemy will cause far more harm than good. People can be persuaded to help friends. They dig in against enemies.

[Jim Robinson]

Look, you've been here long enough to know that for the most part, and even though we don't like all of his policies, the majority of the FReepers support the war, support President Bush and also support the Republican Party vs the Democrat Party. And for the most part, the majority of the posters on LibertyPost are opposed to all of the above. It's not exactly a secret. If you would feel more comfortable posting on their anti-Republican forum, please be my guest.

[jgrubbs]

He doesn't ignore them, they're persona non grata in my opinion. Had there been ANY Conservatives in Congress, they wouldn't have let the Democrats run roughshod over Bush's judicial nominees, basically cowering in the corner every time the radically liberal Schmuck Schumer put up that chart of his that simply said "169 to 4".

Your "conservatives" promoted and voted in favor of Bush's massive prescription drug welfare plan and the largest spending increase in US history. It was voted against by the DemocRATS because they wanted it to be larger, and voted against by Ron Paul and the other few REAL Conservatives because they knew it was un-Constitutional.

[normy]

Well W. Bush didn't nominate O'Connor who is a joke, but Bush wants conservitive judges not moderates like O'Connor.

As far as the PBA goes guys with your tactics will never change the hearts of the people. PBA has THE PEOPLE now saying " yea I can see where some abortions should be banned.." . Now we have changed the debate from the right of the woman to the right of the child. Now we get conservitive judges to chip away at Roe vs. Wade as the general public debates the brutality of abortion.

Abortion won't change untill the heart of the people change. If Bush signs a law banning abortion the Supreme Court would throw it out so fast and we would lose the innitiative.

[sauropod]

Can't stand the heat newbie?

[BigSkyFreeper]

Well, he's radically Liberal, but thanks for taking a half hearted stab at it.

[eskimo]

The key word eskimo is; "GOOD" debate....yours comes from the "NONsensical" category.

You think it makes no sense for conservatives to only vote for conservative leaders.

[Willie Green]

I see most Bush supporters as very logical and respectful. I happen to be one of them.

Proven false by reply #105.

[normy]

Just tell me what I said that would make you think that. I have been arguing for Bush sense I started reading this post.

[Dane]

IMO -- perhaps I'm wrong -- these people are not your political enemies. Far from it. Witness that they are members of FR. Issue for issue, they are not your enemy. They interpret the actions of Bush differently here and there. They, currently, are choosing to react differently in the voting booth, but they are NOT your enemy

I was her back in 99-00 and the same thing happened. No matter how much I tried to talk calmly and reasonably, they would come up with some kook theory, such as "skull and bones". The malcontnents are easy to point out. They live in their own pollyannish world where modern American political machinations are nowhere to be found.

Sometimes I actually feel sorry for these people for if they get one positive reply on FR it just magnifies their ignorance of the modern American political system.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

You're dead wrong.....

We happen to see the President for the man he is. I will not go into a long explanation, the things he has accomplished under one of the most difficult Presidencies in the history of this country has been nothing short of miraculous under what he has had to endure.

And all you people can do is nit-pick about trivial issues. WE are at WAR, not him alone. We have every Terrorist on Earth trying to kill us, and all you can do is find fault?

Maybe you should take over the office of the Presidency for him yourself and show us how it should be done, or otherwise, let him do his job.

I for one trust him 100% in all that he is doing and that support is just what he needs right now.

[BigSkyFreeper]

They aren't my Conservatives. They're the linguine spined Republicans that can't stand up and fight for what's right for American's, when Bush sends Liberal proposals to them. Like I said, the Republicans in Congress let the Democrats run roughshod over everything, basically watering down the proposals into Liberal ideals.