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IRS Moves to Threaten Second Amendment Newsletters, E-mail Alerts
Gun Owners of America ^ | January 15,2004 | GOA staff

Posted on 01/15/2004 6:37:31 AM PST by yoe

The ink is barely dry on the Supreme Court's devastating decision in McConnell v. FEC -- the so-called campaign finance case that GOA was involved in. That decision severely restricted broadcast communications, thus making it more difficult for GOA to hold legislators accountable on Second Amendment issues.

Now, the IRS is already leaping forward to expand the Court's ruling to include GOA newsletters, e-mail alerts, and other Second Amendment communications.

Put out for comment on December 23, 2003 -- when, presumably, no one would notice -- proposed IRS Revenue Ruling 2004-6 creates a broad new set of ambiguous standards which groups like GOA must follow in order to avoid losing all or part of their tax-exempt status.

Under the proposed Revenue Ruling, the IRS would create a vague "balancing test" to determine whether GOA communications would be "permitted" by the government.

If the communication occurred close to an election, mentioned an officeholder who was running for reelection, and was targeted to put pressure on congressmen through constituents in each representative's district, all of these factors would push toward outlawing the communication.

Although the McCain-Feingold Incumbent Protection law was repressive enough, the proposed Revenue Ruling would go far beyond this anti-gun statute:

* Unlike McCain-Feingold, the proposed Revenue Ruling would not be restricted to broadcast ads. Rather, it would apply to newspaper ads, e-mail alerts, newsletters, and other communications by organizations such as GOA.

* Unlike McCain-Feingold, the proposed Revenue Ruling would not automatically exempt communications which occurred more than 60 days prior to an election -- or which fell below a certain monetary threshold.

* Unlike McCain-Feingold, the proposed Revenue Ruling would contain no fixed standards for compliance. Rather every GOA newsletter or alert would have to be published with the realization that the government, after the fact, could apply its vague criteria to determine that is was "impermissible."

For example, when GOA learned that an anti-gun rider had been placed on a Defense authorization bill in September 2000, GOA alerted its members to this provision which would have allowed the Dept. of Defense to confiscate and destroy any military surplus item that had ever been sold by the government.

M1 Carbines, 1903 Springfields, Colt SAAs, uniforms, ammo, scopes -- and much more. All these privately-owned items could have been confiscated and destroyed by the feds.

GOA generated a groundswell of nationwide opposition against the confiscation attempt. But we especially targeted our focus on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The message evidently got through, as the Committee Chairman's office called GOA to discuss this problem after he received hoards of calls, postcards and e-mails from our members. The provision was removed, and Second Amendment rights were preserved.

But had this IRS regulation been in effect in 2000, the agency (which then was under Clinton's control) could have RETROACTIVELY punished GOA, stating that our activity would have been impermissible if just one of the targeted Senators had been facing reelection!

This new regulation would allow lawmakers to load up gun bills prior to an election, secure in the knowledge that GOA won't be able to let you guys know about them in time.

GOA has formally lodged a protest with the IRS regarding this expansion and abuse of power. To read the GOA comments, go to (link)

It is imperative that this rule be defeated!

ACTION: Contact your congressmen. Ask them to write the IRS and demand that it withdraw proposed Revenue Ruling 2004-6. You can contact your Representative and Senators by visiting the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at (link) to send them a pre-written e-mail message.

Take Action

Your Representative and Senators must submit their comments to the IRS by January 26.


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To: yoe; Valin; DustyMoment; Eastbound; Congressman Billybob
FYI
Ensign favors end to all limits on campaign spending-Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 36

201 posted on 01/16/2004 6:09:32 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: Dead Corpse
"I hate to break it to you, but elections have been 'farcical' for some time now. Boss Tweed said it best, 'I don't care who does the electing, as long as I do the nominating.'"

I think Stalin came closest to the truth when he said: "I doesn't matter who voted, what matters is who counts the votes."
202 posted on 01/16/2004 6:12:47 AM PST by ought-six
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To: Dane
O'Connor was Reagan's biggest mistake (even bigger than his 1986 amnesty of the illegals, because O'Connor makes and creates the laws that affect all of us, forever, unless a new court comes along and changes it, which isn't bloody likely, given that only liberal activist judges will ever be allowed to get a seat on the SC).
203 posted on 01/16/2004 6:26:25 AM PST by ought-six
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To: Mulder
"The Republic cannot stand a few more years of this without collapsing into some hellish combination of Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany."

And we are fast approaching that.
204 posted on 01/16/2004 6:27:29 AM PST by ought-six
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To: ought-six
They want to take away both but I think they will settle for one or the other in the short term.
205 posted on 01/16/2004 6:46:42 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: fivetoes; Trteamer
Ping.

Write letters - GOA has the process automated. The impact will be in direct proportion to the number of letters they receive. I sent three.

Go get 'em guys.

206 posted on 01/16/2004 8:12:11 AM PST by softengine (I want to live in Theory.......everything works there.)
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To: Dane
Again JMO, but Clinton would have had an executive order. This is a proposal that will probably be shot down

Since this is a proposed IRS regulation, it is, or will be, in effect, the same as an executive order. The President could squash it like a bug if he so chose. He could have done so before it was formally proposed, IF he had heard of it, which he may or may not have, although the odds are against it. It's up to us to be sure he hears of it now.

207 posted on 01/16/2004 8:29:42 AM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
Since this is a proposed IRS regulation, it is, or will be, in effect, the same as an executive order. The President could squash it like a bug if he so chose. He could have done so before it was formally proposed, IF he had heard of it, which he may or may not have, although the odds are against it. It's up to us to be sure he hears of it now

Please see reply #164. This proposed rule seems to be aimed at unions and such organizations such as Planned Parenthood.

Is the GOA a social welfare organization, union, or trade association?

208 posted on 01/16/2004 8:36:22 AM PST by Dane
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To: Destructor

So, you actually believe that the Income Tax is "voluntary?"

IIt is clear from the writing of Madison, Hamilton and others as well as history that no tax can be made voluntary and work. To say a tax is voluntary is to say it is not levied or the Congress does not intend or have the power to collect it.

Do you figure James Madison would agree with such an assessment?

James Madison, Elliots Debates Vol 3 p128-129:

James Madison, Federalist #45:

 

James Madison, Federalist #39:

Or Hamilton,

Hamilton, Federalist #31:

"A government ought to contain in itself every power requisite to the full accomplishment of the objects committed to its care, and to the complete execution of the trusts for which it is responsible, free from every other control but a regard to the public good and to the sense of the people."

"As revenue is the essential engine by which the means of answering the national exigencies must be procured, the power of procuring that article in its full extent must necessarily be comprehended in that of providing for those exigencies."

"As theory and practice conspire to prove that the power of procuring revenue is unavailing when exercised over the States in their collective capacities, the federal government must of necessity be invested with an unqualified power of taxation in the ordinary modes. "

Or the fact that when voluntary taxation was indeed proposed in the Virginia Ratification document to modify the unlimited power to tax under Article I Section 8 to one which requiring explicit consent of the people. Said proposed amendment was proposed, debated and not included in the Bill of Rights but rather rejected from those amendments.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/const/ratva.htm
Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Virginia; June 26, 1788.

***

Subsequent Amendments agreed to in Convention as necessary to the proposed Constitution of Government for the United States, recommended to the consideration of the Congress which shall first assemble under the said Constitution to be acted upon according to the mode prescribed in the fifth article thereof:

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and no aid, charge, tax or fee can be set, rated, or levied upon the people without their own consent,

 

However, that taxes are voluntary is not what I stated.

Strange indeed! I've been supporting the removal of the income and payroll tax system for decades now, and not once have I ever had a gun pointed at my head


209 posted on 01/16/2004 8:45:40 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: jdege
Don't know if you've seen this.
210 posted on 01/16/2004 8:52:56 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: yoe; All
And now for a ray of hope or two

Ensign favors end to all limits on campaign spending-Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 36
KRNV / AP ^ | 1/14/03


Posted on 01/15/2004 9:58:47 AM CST by Valin


Nevada Senator John Ensign says he has changed his mind over the years about campaign finance reform.
He says he now favors ending all limits on campaign contributions as long as the giving is reported and the contributor identified.


Ensign says the problem with money and politics is that people find out ways to get around the law. He says he wants to remove all limits on contributions but make all of them reportable.
In his words, "If you want to give one million-dollars to somebody, you give one million-dollars and they have to report it."


Ensign says he takes exception to critics who say there is too much money in politics. He says US beer companies spend more on advertising in a year than all the federal, state and local political races combined.
He asked students at Reed High School in Sparks earlier this week, "What is more important, trying to persuade people on what beer they drink or trying to persuade people on who to elect to office?''

(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1058485/posts?page=1


Gingrey (R-GA, 11) interested in FR, and in law restoring free speech
Meeting | 12-14-2003 | Robert A Cook


Posted on 12/14/2003 3:34:28 PM CST by Robert A. Cook, PE


Spoke briefly with Congressman Phil Gingrey (R, GA-11th) after church today.

http://www.house.gov/gingrey/

Gingrey is a OB-Gyn physician, a first-time conservative Congressman from a democratic gerry-mandered district spreading through democratic regions in west GA and metro Atlanta.

(1) I asked him to sponsor legistlation REMOVING the free-speech restrictions imposed under McCain-Feingold. He thought it was a good idea, but didn't know how much other Congressional support there would be.

Therefore: CONTACT YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND CREATE SOME SUPPORT for removal of this section of the law.

Constitutionally, even though the vast majority of the bill has been upheld by the Court (thanks to liberal judges demanded by the Senate!), there is no reason the single section restricting free speech can't be also removed by a second law. The Constitution doesn't have a clause IMPOSING restrictions (yet!), so a law removing ("illegally-declared-but-liberally-declared-constitutional") restrictions should be "legal."

Further, this would FORCE the liberals (in Congress, in the press, and on the courts!) to visibly oppose free speech by publically opposing a law that explicitly restores free speech!

Removing the "money" talking points, and the other dnc-focus points of McCain Feingold from the discussion may get this bill through since it would be targetted ONLY at the 60-day advertising limits - if not in this session, maybe in the next.

Best? Sure; completely remove McCain-Feingold. But it won't happen in today's media climate, given the power this yields to the "national press corpse". So we shouldn't weight down a "possibly-successful" bill with dreams of revoking the whole thing.

It is at least a step to remove this clause. After all, even the whole Amendment invoking Prohibition was removed!

(2) Write, call, or email Gingrey's office(s) local and naitonal to support this bill.

Since it's not proposed yet, we need to show Phil that free speech is supported at the grass roots level. His office, frakly, will listen mostly to GA constituents, but evry call will help!

(3) He is interested in what we discuss here, in how widely-read the Free Republic site is, and how much more thorough we are than "the natioinal press corpse" who slavishly repeated only what they read from the dnc's faux fax sheet. When he expressed an interest in Free republic, I invited him to register and contribute (or at a minmum read along silently) to protect his public persona.

But, he needs a login-id.

So, I'm asking you respond to his web-site above and do three things: Thank him for supporting Bush in his war on terror;

Ask to submit his bill lifting restrictions on politcal speech imposed by the liberal press and the democrats,

Warmly welcome him to Free Republic, and recommend a screen name for FreeRepublic.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1040281/posts

And a shamless plug for one of the good guys.(Congressman BillyBob)
If You Think Campaign Finance "Reform" Offends the First Amendment,
http://www.armorforcongress.com/index.php?submit=cfrad

We have two options
1 sit here and complain (political masterbation)
2 get out there and grill the candidates on this.

This is an issue that cuts right across party/philosophical lines.




211 posted on 01/16/2004 9:02:34 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: ancient_geezer
"However, that taxes are voluntary is not what I stated.

Strange indeed! I've been supporting the removal of the income and payroll tax system for decades now, and not once have I ever had a gun pointed at my head."

Try a little experiment then. Don't pay your Income Taxes this year, and when the IRS contacts you-- tell them you don't owe them anything. Then when the IRS sends it's agents to take your house (and everything in it), take your car, and garnish your wages, and haul you off to jail-- try to resist! You will end up seeing that gun that I'm speaking of in my posts.

If you think for one minute that the the government won't use force to collect those taxes, then you're delusional!

212 posted on 01/16/2004 9:10:09 AM PST by Destructor
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To: patriot_wes

This is where the crux of the matter lies for the income tax. The courts clearly ruled, especially MERCHANT’S LOAN & TRUST CO. v SMIETANKA, 255 US 509 (1921), that the word “income” had a specific legal meaning in the 16th Amendment. They further pointed to STRATTON’S INDEPENDENCE, LTD. v HOWBERT, 231 US 399 (1913) as the ruling that defined the word “income” in the 16th Amendment.
Here is what STRATTON’S says:

Stratton's Independence, LTD. v. Howbert(1913), 231 U.S. 399:

“As has been repeatedly remarked, the corporation tax act of 1909 was not intended to be and is not, in any proper sense, an income tax law. This court had decided in the Pollack Case that the income tax law of 1894 amounted in effect to a direct tax upon property, and was invalid because not apportioned according to populations, as prescribed by the Constitution. The act of 1909 avoided this difficulty by imposing not an income tax, but an excise tax upon the conduct of business in a corporate capacity, measuring, however, the amount of tax by the income of the corporation.”

Which was true in the case of taxes on rents (from real estate) and returns from stocks & bonds and similar investments of capital as addressed in Pollock, but has nothing to due with whether or not a tax can be levied on an employed individual in regard to earnings from employments or vocations or even corporations with regard to their earnings thus is not endowed with the significance you would have us believe.

The important key is “upon the conduct of business in a corporate capacity”. So the court is saying that
1) income taxes are direct taxes because they tax the income of the individual,

It only states that the particular tax in question (1909 corporate tax), was explicitly laid on businesses & corporations by act of Congress and that the mining corporations earnings from sales of gold were subject to that tax.

For the Pollock cases clearly state that individual is subject to taxation on business, privileges, employments and vocations as an excise laid on the value of such activities; that the particular taxes considered unconstitutional in Pollock were taxes on the fruits of property, and thus were direct subject to apportionment.

Flint v. Stone Tracy Co.(1911), 220 U.S. 107

BROMLEY v. MCCAUGHN, 280 U.S. 124 (1929)

Pollock v. Farmers' Loan and Trust Company, 157 U.S. 429 (1895)

POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 158 U.S. 601 (1895):

2) corporate income taxes are not taxes on the corporation’s income but an excise tax measured by the size of the corporation’s income, and

And??? Since the the mining company was found to be a business taxable under the 1909 law, what else would they say? The Court was not addressing a tax on individuals at all, the 1909 law was purely a business tax. The defendant before the court was a mining company and found subject to that tax.

3) any true federal income tax would be unconstitutional, if not apportioned.

Not according to Pollock nor any other Supreme Court case.

I suppose you define a "true" income tax as a tax merely on rents and earnings from property, then Pollock would have held up until the ratifictation of the 16th amendment which did away with that particular distinction.

The only way they could come close to levying a tax on corporations would be to levy an excise and not an income tax.

Ahmmm!

What, precisely prevents them from levying an excise or duty on individual's activities in commerce?

House Congressional Record, March 27, 1943, pg. 2580:

 

James Madison, Federalist #39:

James Madison, Federalist #45:

A LAW DICTIONARY
by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, (
1856):

"INCOME.
The gain which proceeds from property, labor, or business; it is applied particularly to individuals;"

A LAW DICTIONARY
by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

PROFITS.
In general, by this term is understood the benefit which a man derives from a thing. It is more particularly applied to such benefit as arises from his labor and skill

Springer v. United States(1880), 102 U.S. 586

  • "The central and controlling question in this case is whether the tax which was levied on the income, gains, and profits of the plaintiff in error, as set forth in the record, and by pretended virtue of the acts of Congress and parts of acts therein mentioned, is a direct tax."
  • "Our conclusions are, that direct taxes, within the meaning of the Constitution, are only capitation taxes, as expressed in that instrument, and taxes on real estate; and that the tax of which the plaintiff in error complains is within the category of an excise or duty."
  •  

    POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 158 U.S. 601 (1895):

     

    Stratton's Independence, LTD. v. Howbert(1913), 231 U.S. 399:

    Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co.(1916), 240 U.S. 103:

    Lucas v. Earl(1930), 281 U.S. 111:

    U.S. v. CONSTANTINE, 296 U.S. 287 (1935)

    Charles C. Stewart Machine Co. v. Davis (1937), 301 U.S. 548:

     


    213 posted on 01/16/2004 10:10:18 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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    To: Destructor

    Try a little experiment then. Don't pay your Income Taxes this year, and when the IRS contacts you-- tell them you don't owe them anything. Then when the IRS sends it's agents to take your house (and everything in it), take your car, and garnish your wages, and haul you off to jail-- try to resist! You will end up seeing that gun that I'm speaking of in my posts.

    You figure that you are not subject to enforcement of the laws of this nation??

    Yes they can and do come after you with guns if necessary to enforce law of the nation. What precisely is inappropriate about that?

    Constitution for the United States of America:

     

    If you think for one minute that the the government won't use force to collect those taxes, then you're delusional!

    What has that to do with my statement?

    "However, that taxes are voluntary is not what I stated.

    Strange indeed! I've been supporting the removal of the income and payroll tax system for decades now, and not once have I ever had a gun pointed at my head."


    214 posted on 01/16/2004 10:18:45 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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    To: Lancey Howard
    Make that the first amendment.

    They also refused to apply the second amendment, in the Silveria case out of the 9th circus.

    215 posted on 01/16/2004 10:29:26 AM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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    To: ancient_geezer
    What do you want me to do? Agree with you that the Federal Government is our friend? Whether you choose to believe it, or not we all have a gun pointed at our collective heads. If you don't believe that then try not paying your taxes as see what happens! What's stopping YOU Geezer?
    216 posted on 01/16/2004 10:30:05 AM PST by Destructor
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    To: Destructor
    Geezer used to work for the IRS and does consulting for them on the weekends. They can do no wrong in his eyes. If you dare question is wisdom, or that of the IRS, he will spam your thread with every damn quote he can from self re-enforcing courts cases where the government has given itself power because the government says it can.

    Well... I don't ACTUALLY know that any of that is true... but once you get him started he is pretty much a one trick pony on this subject.

    217 posted on 01/16/2004 10:49:09 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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    To: Dead Corpse
    Thanks for the warning. I won't waste any more of my valuable time on this IRS companyman/loser!
    218 posted on 01/16/2004 10:57:13 AM PST by Destructor
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    To: Destructor
    I've never been able to check all his info. When it comes at you like a four inch firehose on wide open, it's just a bit much. He knows his stuff, as far as the legal twisting of it is concerned. The problem comes when you try to point out the injustice of the whole system and how inherently EVIL it is. He just keeps telling you that the courts have cleared it all.

    Some people will never see the forrest for the trees.

    219 posted on 01/16/2004 11:08:02 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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    To: Destructor

    What do you want me to do? Agree with you that the Federal Government is our friend?

    The National Government is nothing more nor nothing less that what we allow it to be through the representatives we elect and the legislation we allow them to enact.

    If you want the income tax to end or abusiveness of the minions of goverment like the IRS to be addressed, the place to start cleaning house is at the source of the problem, Congress.

    Railing at the hired guns, only detracts from ever recognising the source and the cure to the problem. It's like the bull going after the red-cape and never hitting the mattadore.

    Recognising the red-cape for what it is, the distraction, and direct barbs at those pulling the strings and making the bad law that enables and supports the abuse, Congress.

    Government is empowred to enforce law, that's a fact of Constitutional life, violate statutes and expect the minion's gun pointed at you.

    It's better to go for the real problems bad law (by supporting repeal/replacement) and the Critters making the bad law(by voting them out of office), instead of pounding one's head against the brick walls of bureaucracy designed to distract one's attention from the real issues.

    What's stopping YOU Geezer?

    Absolutely nothing at all.

    I bring attention to the mattadore and what can and should be done towards change and point out the futility of attacking the redcape.

    Blaming the IRS or any agency or department is a waste of time, they will not go away and only increase in strenght, while the pushers and movers that create those agencies remain right where they are making evermore of the same kind of laws and ever increasing the power of those minions to enforce those laws we should never have allowed to be enacted in the first place.

    In the case of taxation, there are better alternatives, and legislation in the pipeline to effect the change. I find it deplorable that so much energy is wasted in charging the cape, wasting people's lives and wealth, with so little addressed to actually supporting and implementing change in the law and removing those that have given and maintain the laws we all object to.

    220 posted on 01/16/2004 11:41:47 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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