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To: Destructor

So, you actually believe that the Income Tax is "voluntary?"

IIt is clear from the writing of Madison, Hamilton and others as well as history that no tax can be made voluntary and work. To say a tax is voluntary is to say it is not levied or the Congress does not intend or have the power to collect it.

Do you figure James Madison would agree with such an assessment?

James Madison, Elliots Debates Vol 3 p128-129:

James Madison, Federalist #45:

 

James Madison, Federalist #39:

Or Hamilton,

Hamilton, Federalist #31:

"A government ought to contain in itself every power requisite to the full accomplishment of the objects committed to its care, and to the complete execution of the trusts for which it is responsible, free from every other control but a regard to the public good and to the sense of the people."

"As revenue is the essential engine by which the means of answering the national exigencies must be procured, the power of procuring that article in its full extent must necessarily be comprehended in that of providing for those exigencies."

"As theory and practice conspire to prove that the power of procuring revenue is unavailing when exercised over the States in their collective capacities, the federal government must of necessity be invested with an unqualified power of taxation in the ordinary modes. "

Or the fact that when voluntary taxation was indeed proposed in the Virginia Ratification document to modify the unlimited power to tax under Article I Section 8 to one which requiring explicit consent of the people. Said proposed amendment was proposed, debated and not included in the Bill of Rights but rather rejected from those amendments.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/const/ratva.htm
Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Virginia; June 26, 1788.

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Subsequent Amendments agreed to in Convention as necessary to the proposed Constitution of Government for the United States, recommended to the consideration of the Congress which shall first assemble under the said Constitution to be acted upon according to the mode prescribed in the fifth article thereof:

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and no aid, charge, tax or fee can be set, rated, or levied upon the people without their own consent,

 

However, that taxes are voluntary is not what I stated.

Strange indeed! I've been supporting the removal of the income and payroll tax system for decades now, and not once have I ever had a gun pointed at my head


209 posted on 01/16/2004 8:45:40 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: ancient_geezer
"However, that taxes are voluntary is not what I stated.

Strange indeed! I've been supporting the removal of the income and payroll tax system for decades now, and not once have I ever had a gun pointed at my head."

Try a little experiment then. Don't pay your Income Taxes this year, and when the IRS contacts you-- tell them you don't owe them anything. Then when the IRS sends it's agents to take your house (and everything in it), take your car, and garnish your wages, and haul you off to jail-- try to resist! You will end up seeing that gun that I'm speaking of in my posts.

If you think for one minute that the the government won't use force to collect those taxes, then you're delusional!

212 posted on 01/16/2004 9:10:09 AM PST by Destructor
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