"AW" & "Hi-Cap Magazine" bans WILL sunset!

Self | 11/12/04 | Richard Brengman

[Richard-SIA]

I attended a small gathering of about 60 republican party faithful tonight.

The occasion was an informal evening meeting with Nevada Senator John Ensign (R).

This was an invitational event, I was still surprised and disappointed that it was not better attended.

This is my favorite type of event, the cost of attendence was only $25 to cover rental of the exhibit hall, the location was nearby (Reno), and there was plenty of time available to speak directly with my favorite Nevada senator.

I believe there will be another meeting tomorrow, in Las Vegas. Anyone interested can probably get information by calling his L.V. office, (702) 388-6605

Anyone who was no too timid to speak up in public was able to ask whatever question they liked.

John did not duck any of them, and resonded clearly, as a good republican should.

Many in attendence asked their questions and made their comments in comparative privacy, in one on one discussion.

Two of my questions were in the area of "gun control".

I am quoting John's replies as closely as I recall them.

Q. Will the AW & Hi-Cap Mag. bans be allowed to expire on Sept, 13th?

A. Certainly, it would take 60 votes to force a bill extending them to the floor, there are too many people like myself who will filibuster them if necessary to prevent their passing.

The democrats know the gun control issue can hurt them, it is not likely to be an issue.

Q. What are the chances of SB-659 being passed next year? (Outlaws continuing the predatory lawsuits that have been filed in an effort to bankrupt the firearms industry)

A. The bill can be expected to pass, it is a good thing that the bill will be decided in an election year, gun control is not a winning issue in an election year.

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I would encourage everyone to attend these party meetings any time they can.

You can learn where and when they are being held by simply asking your representative's staff.

Also ask them to put you on their mailing list.

The MOST effective means of contacting our reps is personal contact. This event illustrates that it does not require great wealth, just a little time and commitment.

[Constitution Day]

Thanks for the ping, but I will believe it when I see it.

CD

[B4Ranch]

Not attempting to change the thread subject but I must ask, "Was there any discussion supporting Bush's new Temporary Worker plan?"

A simple yes or no will suffice here.

[xsrdx]

Good information, thanks.

SUNSET THE AW BAN

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

OK, from now on, when I call the Senate a bunch of crooks and traitors, I will except Nevada Senator John Ensign.

However, I still think there will be a new law and a far worse attack on the second. As usual, I hope to be wrong, but for all the people sreaming doomer/gloomer at me, I'm right far too often. Betrayal of the Constitution is a way of life in the Congress.

[Shooter 2.5]

Anyone who has been paying attention to our fight for Gun Rights will never say the Republicans and the dems are the same party. It's been the Republicans who have led the fight for the CCW laws in the states. There are a few and, I repeat, few Republicans who have gone against this trend but they are far and few. Anyone who doubts this can watch the Senate debates in Wisconsin next week when the CCW law is introduced for an override.
The NRA has repeatedly stated that the time to fight the AWB was back in the last election. That's when we needed the A rated candidates to win so they were there when the vote came up. We were then told we have the votes in Congress but the Senate is still filled with anti-gun politicians. The AWB has to be stopped at the Congressional Committee level.
Our moderate president has stated that if it reached his desk, he would sign it. That was a challenge to the pro-gun activists to make sure it never reaches his desk. He made a campaign promise but it's a far cry from supporting the law. There haven't been any Rose Garden press conferences with police chiefs in the background like the 'toon made popular.

Unfortunately this fight is never going to be over. There's still a chance something horrible will happen before the election is here. Even if it's sunsetted there's still the anti's who will continue to introduce gun control while they're still in power. We won't win until the dem party is a distant memory.

[risk]

It's no wonder we often have shoddy legislation in key areas. Pols are busy fighting guns instead of doing their jobs. If they can't read the second amendment, what else do they know?

[Space Wrangler]

That seems to be the prevailing opinion, but I think if a republican controlled house and senate send this to a republican president who signs it, they would literally be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I may be wrong, but we'll see. The smartest thing that congress can do is to forget this thing even exists. The dem's know what a loser gun control is for them, and if the republicans insist on sending this thing through again, it may cause a good portion of their base to sit home come election day.

[ArrogantBustard]

Let's not stop hounding our congresscritters on this issue. The press-democrat party axis will try to manufacture support for extending the ban.

[Travis McGee]

After W's illegal alien amnesty back stab, I have lost my faith in him. As far as the legislative side, I can see an AWB renewal being folded into an omnibus crime or anti-terrorism deal as part of a "deal" that we never see until the entire bill is rolled out. And Bush will sign it. IOW, I am not cheering yet.

[ArrogantBustard]

I can see an AWB renewal being folded into an omnibus crime or anti-terrorism deal as part

That's how the stinking sonsabitches passed it the first time, back in '94.

[Pern]

Thanks for the ping, but I will believe it when I see it.

Yep, politicians never relinquish power once it's taken.

[Constitution Day]

So very true.

Love your tagline, BTW.

[Shooter 2.5]

Exactly. It's the same reason the urban areas are so bad. The dem pols are too busy disarming the good people and ignoring the bad.
'Have to keep the little people dependent, don'tyaknow?

[Ancesthntr]

>>there are millions of single-issue, pro-gun voters who will crucify you if you betray them.

< *raises hand* >

Likewise. I'll not only vote against anyone who allows this thing to pass by voting for it, but I'll vote against ALL Republicans this year if it is renewed, since the Party has the majorities needed to defeat it. Note to Republican Party Lurkers: I live in Henry Bonilla's district - he won by only a whisker in 2002 (including my vote). He's an "A" on gun-related issues, but I WON'T vote for him if the AWB is renewed in ANY way. Sorry, my liberty and that of my children means more to me than party loyalty.

[Redbob]

I'm beginning to think the best election outcome would be for the GOP to pick up about a dozen or more House seats, a couple Senate seats (Georgia, for example) and for Bush to LOSE.

Then we'll see the sort of legislative stalemate that at least prevents any more poorly-thought-out though good-intentioned "compassionate conservative" laws.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, it's in thru the nose and out thru the mouth.

I've never me a politician who wouldn't lie like a Klinton if it served his purpose.

[Shooter 2.5]

The best solution is to pick up a few more votes in Congress and the Senate and elect Bush. That way in four more years we can have a real conservative instead of a moderate. We should move forward and not back.

[Donaeus]

I appreciate Senator Ensign's support, but the 2nd Amendment is not one of his hallmark issues. I just visited his website "Issues" page and 2A is not listed on it at all, however, heading the list is Animal Advocacy. His key legislative efforts have been focused on keeping people from owning exotic animals and ending animal fighting by charging individuals who move animals across state lines for the purpose of fighting with a felony. I don't want to sound cold-hearted but animals didn't elect Senator Ensign, the people of Nevada did and they should be his first priority. The animal fighting issue is similar to gun crime, if existing laws were enforced then the problem would be eliminated, since those responsible for this reprehensible practice are often involved in other criminal activity.

I also checked Gun Owners of America's Congressional Voting Record to see where Ensign stood on legislation affecting 2A. On Campaign Finance he voted NAY, on the Federal Election Commission Act of 1971 he voted NAY, BUT on the Anti-Gun Juvenile Crime Bill (authored by Tom Daschle) Ensign voted YEA. Richard, I don't want to burst your bubble but I think NV Repubs need to hold Ensign's feet to the fire.

[RockChucker]

What will happen to the firearms industry if this bill dies? Will the Post-Ban /Pre-sunset AWs go down in value?

In particular, will I be able to convert my Saiga 7.62x39 (currently 10 round mags only with no pistol grip or bayonet lug) to whatever I please?

Will I be able to, after the sunset, be able to convert high-cap mags to work in my Saiga?

[templar]

My thinking on the subject:

[IMO and FWIW] If the ban actually does go away, stock up on everything you want quickly. It won't be that long before it is reinstituted in one form or another; possibly a peice at a time scattered all over the place in different legislation. Remember how Reagan banned machine guns for private ownership (and he may not even have realized he was doing it at the time)?

Simple things like redefining some words can give the BATF the power to make the currently banned weapons and mags illegal for import or domestic manufacture and could easily be sneaked through in other bills. That doesn't even consider the 'secret' (redacted) stuff in things like intelligence authorization and financing bills that goes on already. It's all for our own good ya' know, fighting terrorism and all that sort of stuff.