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Space Station's Air Leak Mystery Deepens
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| 1-9-2004
| Marcia Dunn
Posted on 01/09/2004 11:54:34 AM PST by blam
Space station's air leak mystery deepens
Equipment looks fine; no immediate danger, NASA says
NASA
NASA astronaut Michael Foale and Russian cosmonaut Alexander Kaleri celebrated New Year's Day on the space station, then were notified Monday that the air pressure was slowly dropping.
By Marcia Dunn
Aerospace Writer
The Associated Press
Updated: 1:05 p.m. ET Jan. 09, 2004CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - An air purifier that was the prime suspect for a cabin leak at the international space station turned out to be airtight Friday as the crew widened the search for the mystery leak.
The cabin pressure continued to slowly fall as flight controllers in both the United States and Russian debated what to do next. One plan, not yet finalized, would have the two men on board, Russian cosmonaut Alexander Kaleri and NASA astronaut Michael Foale, closing the hatches on individual compartments one at a time in an attempt to isolate any potential leaks.
Mission Control stressed that even though the pressure was now down to 14.0 pounds per square inch, it was still safe for the crew and station operations. The threshold, however, for equipment failure not all equipment, just some is 13.9 pounds per square inch.
The normal air pressure aboard the space station is 14.7 pounds per square inch, a level not present up there since before Christmas.
Checking equipment
Flight controllers zeroed in on the Russian carbon-dioxide removal unit earlier this week as the source of the pressure decay, but Kaleri found nothing wrong with it Friday. The system was more or less reported to be airtight, Mission Control reported.
Kaleri checked other environmental systems on the Russian side of the space station and nothing was found to be leaking.
The next step, probably this weekend, will have Kaleri and Foale sealing off the docked Russian cargo ship and then the Russian air lock and then the American air lock, to gauge any pressure changes.
Space station managers are meticulously going through the list of equipment that is susceptible to falling pressure, Mission Control said. Its possible that the main item in question a monitor for air contaminants could be simply turned off in order to preserve it once the pressure reached 13.9 pounds per square inch.
Engineers do not believe a repressurization would be necessary before Sunday or Monday.
No immediate danger
In emphasizing the lack of immediate danger, Mission Control noted that the current level of 14 pounds per square inch is equivalent to the atmospheric pressure in Oklahoma City. There are plenty of places on Earth where people live with much lower air pressure, Mission Control said, citing Las Vegas at 13.6 pounds per square inch, Denver at just over 12 pounds per square inch, and Mexico City at less than 12 pounds per square inch.
Foale, the commander, and Kaleri are supposed to remain on board until the end of April. They arrived in October as the eighth set of full-time residents.
NASA has reduced the number of space station residents from three to two for the foreseeable future because of the grounding of the shuttle fleet in the wake of the Columbia disaster. Russian spacecraft are simply too small to deliver all the necessary supplies and spare parts.
TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: air; deepens; leak; mystery; spacestation; spave; stations
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To: Lokibob
Now ya got me wondering. Drudge's reference desk has a link that will convert just about anything. I'm going over there.
To: blam
Leaks? We didn't send this guy up there, did we?
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posted on
01/09/2004 1:35:54 PM PST
by
COBOL2Java
(If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.)
To: Lokibob
OK, here is what I did. Rule of thumb is one inch of Mercury for each 1000' in altitude. At 2000' that would be 27.92. That converts to 13.7psi. So 2124' would be close to 13.6. BTW, that is what it is called on the ref desk: Convert Anything (on the left side of the page). Great site.
To: Calvin Locke
The Apollo era also used a pure oxygen atmosphere. That is what caused severity of the capsule fire in the Apollo 1 test, however that was at a 1 atm internal pressure (14.7 psia, which may not to healthy as well, outside of fire considerations). (Question to freepers who may have worked on Apollo: after the fire did NASA go to an N2/O2 atmosphere in the command module at 14.7 psia, changing to 5 psia pure oxygen somewhere in the flight profile?). I suspect that the ISS has an N2/O2 atmosphere. Could be wrong. Another consideration for the air pressure, since equipment operation was mentioned, is heat conduction, although fans may be needed. Insufficient air density results in less heat carryoff. I have seen power transformers de-rated for high elevation (starting at 4000 feet). Another DUMB question for any aerospace freepers - Can there be convective cooling in a zero-gee enviroment, or are circulation fans needed.
To: COBOL2Java
No, but maybe we could.
To: leadpenny
great, thanks. Bet I use that reference a lot.
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posted on
01/09/2004 1:50:42 PM PST
by
Lokibob
To: blam
Did they check the AE-35 unit?
27
posted on
01/09/2004 1:56:47 PM PST
by
ZOOKER
To: leadpenny
They need an ultrasonic leak detector up there. Air leaking through a small leak makes a "whistle" that can be picked up with an ultrasonic sensor.
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posted on
01/09/2004 3:03:16 PM PST
by
snopercod
(Wishing y'all a prosperous, happy, and FREE new year!)
To: leadpenny; snopercod; bonesmccoy
8 - Thanks for the ping. What I do know, is that they are running out of pressure pretty fast. A few more weeks. They NASA, better get off their butts and do something - fast, or they will be abandoning ship.
this is ridiculous, that they don't have a plan, for something as simple and predictable as a leak, and closing off the compartment hatches. MY GOODNESS, THEY ARE STOOOPID!!! Two weeks of leaking and they don't even have a plan yet? A plan they should have had before the first launch? Shades of o-rings and falling off foam.
Everybody, cover your heads, and duck !!!!
quote:
"The cabin pressure continued to slowly fall as flight controllers in both the United States and Russian debated what to do next. One plan, not yet finalized, would have the two men on board, Russian cosmonaut Alexander Kaleri and NASA astronaut Michael Foale, closing the hatches on individual compartments one at a time in an attempt to isolate any potential leaks.
Mission Control stressed that even though the pressure was now down to 14.0 pounds per square inch, it was still safe for the crew and station operations. The threshold, however, for equipment failure not all equipment, just some is 13.9 pounds per square inch."
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posted on
01/09/2004 5:15:44 PM PST
by
XBob
To: ZOOKER
LOL! Open the pod bay doors.......
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posted on
01/09/2004 5:19:49 PM PST
by
Brett66
To: XBob
XBob said: "This is ridiculous, that they don't have a plan, for something as simple and predictable as a leak, and closing off the compartment hatches. "
It doesn't seem to make sense, does it?
Sealing the compartments would allow for eliminating many systems as the possible cause.
Additionally, while waiting until the proper time to repair the leak, it might be possible to pump atmosphere from the leaky compartment to the others. One could raise the pressure in the non-leaky areas, lower it substantially in the leaky area, and thus reduce considerably the amount of air lost to the leak.
If access to the leaky compartment was not needed often, it might be possible to extend by an order of magnitude or more the amount of time available to fix the leak.
Also, there is little mention of a reserve supply of atmosphere. I would think that pressurized tanks could have been used to store spare air and these tanks could be re-supplied periodically. After all, if you run out of air, what need is there of anything else?
Are there any Freepers who can supply an explanation for what we see happening?
To: blam
Potentially scary stuff. Slow leaks sometimes have a tendency to turn into fast ones.
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posted on
01/09/2004 6:15:22 PM PST
by
Johnny_Cipher
("... and twenty thousand bucks to complete my robot. My GIRL robot.")
To: William Tell
I hope they've ruled out a faulty measurement device, in case it's not leaking at all.
Bush's new space proposal basically pulls the plug on this stupid multi-national feel-good project anyway, so I don't care if they abandon ship. It's doomed in any event.
Stick it in a bathtub, and see where the bubbles come out.
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posted on
01/09/2004 6:23:15 PM PST
by
Dog Gone
To: Dog Gone
Dog Gone said: "Stick it in a bathtub, and see where the bubbles come out."
Of course, if they allow very much more leakage, then there will be no bubbles coming out. They will have to look for water spraying in. (Lots of assumptions regarding the tub and its environs.)
Good point about the reliability of the instrumentation. Perhaps they are seeing the result of a corroding electrical connection. How much of this stuff was purchased from the lowest bidder ( our system ) or manufactured by slave ( socialist ) labor?
To: William Tell
pressurized tanks could have been used to store spare air They would have enough spare air to cover ordinary leakage, and there is ordinary leakage.
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posted on
01/09/2004 7:46:09 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(How many technological objections will be raised?)
To: djf
Exactly what I was thinking. Seems to me they gave the hunt to track down the cause of that noise a little too quickly.
To: LibWhacker
gave up
To: William Tell
Yeah, the tub sounds like a pretty good idea for the first two or three seconds until you actually think about it.
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posted on
01/09/2004 7:55:55 PM PST
by
Dog Gone
To: Calvin Locke
Mentioning "bloating in females" could be construed as a serious safety issue . . .
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posted on
01/09/2004 8:20:02 PM PST
by
BraveMan
To: William Tell; Robert A. Cook, PE
31 - "Are there any Freepers who can supply an explanation for what we see happening?"
More NASA incompetence.
I think we would do better putting a 6 year old StarTrekkie in charge.
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posted on
01/09/2004 8:28:33 PM PST
by
XBob
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