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The Bush Proposal (Interesting article by Linda Chavez on the Immigration Proposal)
Town Hall ^ | Jan 8, 2004 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 01/08/2004 8:03:21 AM PST by PhiKapMom

The Bush proposal

Linda Chavez

January 8, 2004

President Bush announced a sweeping new immigration reform proposal this week that could become a hot-button issue in the November election. For months, insiders have hinted that the president would propose a new guest worker program aimed at allowing more foreign workers into the country on a temporary basis. Widely favored by the American business community, a guest worker program would allow employers to fill jobs in industries that routinely experience shortages of workers willing to do the often difficult, dangerous jobs Americans shun -- at least at wages that allow employers to remain in business.

But the guest worker provisions won't be the most controversial part of the administration's new proposal. Although some groups that want to limit immigration altogether -- such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) -- oppose guest worker plans, even such staunch restrictionists as Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) are on record supporting the idea of guest workers. The real battle will be over what to do with those millions of illegal aliens who are already here.

Some 8-12 million illegal aliens reside in the United States now -- up three- or four-fold from a decade ago. An estimated 60 percent of these are from Mexico alone, and it is no accident that the Bush plan was announced in anticipation of the president's meeting with his Mexican counterpart, President Vicente Fox, next week. The White House announced less than a week before the Fox meeting that millions of illegal aliens from Mexico and elsewhere will be allowed, over time, to earn legal status in the U.S., so long as they have been working continuously, paid taxes and not broken other laws. The plan will impose some penalties on these workers -- most likely fines similar to those proposed in legislation sponsored by Republican Representatives Jeff Flake and Jim Kolbe and Senator John McCain, all from Arizona.

These proposals may not offer perfect justice -- who can blame those who resent rewarding "line jumpers" with legal status while millions of other would-be immigrants wait patiently to enter the country legally. But "earned legalization" is probably the best solution to a largely intractable problem. There is no way that the United States can find and deport 8-12 million illegal aliens in this country, and even if we could, we would do more harm than good.

The American economy depends on these workers, who, along with legal immigrants, contributed significantly to the economic boon of the 1990s. If FAIR could wave a magic wand and make these illegal aliens disappear overnight, the rest of us would suffer by having to pay more for everything from the food we put on the table to the houses in which we live. Our office buildings wouldn't get cleaned, our crops wouldn't get picked, our meat wouldn't get processed, nor our tables cleaned when we go out to eat.

Sure, we could double wages to attract American-born workers to some of these jobs, but at even twice the salary it would be difficult to fill the nastiest of these tasks, like processing poultry. But why would we want American workers, who we've spent trillions of dollars educating for 13 or 14 years, on average, to perform jobs that require only the most minimal skills? Even if we got rid of all illegal aliens in the U.S., these jobs would likely go to foreign workers, like it or not.

What sense does it make to insist that we get rid of the very people doing these jobs now in order to make way for other foreign workers to take them under a new guest worker plan? It makes a lot more sense to figure out how to get those illegal aliens already employed at these jobs to come in from the shadows and become part of the legal system. They should pay a penalty for having broken the law in the first place by sneaking into the country or overstaying their visas, but it is better for all of us if they earn their way toward legal status than remain in the illegal netherworld where they now hide.

Linda Chavez is President of the Center for Equal Opportunity, a Townhall.com member organization.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bushishillary; bushisliberal; buyingvotes; commonsense; culturewar; illegalaliens; illegalmexicans; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; lindachavez; mexico; nationalsuicide; rewardingcriminals; thirdworldcountry
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To: DeathfromBelow
I didn't know this until a short time ago, but if both parents are Mexican citizens and their child is born on soil of the United States, that child becomes a United States Citizen.
121 posted on 01/08/2004 9:37:56 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Cyber Liberty
They have no idea that in order to implement their vision, we'd need to load them onto trainloads of cattlecars

Wrong. All that is necessary is to deny them the ability to work and they will gradually filter out of the country of their own accord-no mass deportations needed

How to do that?Start imprisoning employers who hire illegals .

They''ll get the message real fast

The problem is that the administration is in the pocket of corporate internationalists who wish to exploit cheap labor and don't care one bit about the negative effects of Third Worldization since (they think) they will be safe in their gated communities

122 posted on 01/08/2004 9:37:57 AM PST by WackyKat
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To: futureceo31
"Are there not existing laws that prevent the local offices from giving Social security cards? Why are they not being enforced by local governments???" The cards I am referring to are not issued by the SS office. They are procured on the street. Social Security fraud is a federal issue...ya might try asking your congressman...or God forbid, try asking GWB why? Oh, by the way, the SS cards I am referring to are not legitimate...but then I assumed you all knew that...
123 posted on 01/08/2004 9:38:06 AM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. U.S.M.C. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi! HAPPY NEW YEAR!)
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To: kellynla
And they come right back. So how do we prevent them from coming back. Electric fences over 2000 miles might seem like a good idea but I dont see that happening any time soon.
And then again to question your premise, how do we find an illegal alien. Its not like they are walking around with signs around their necks proclaiming that. And maybe we have to have stricter penalties for companies hiring illegals, but arent there already laws against this and local governments are not enforcing this. At least the state governments who are dim controlled are not going to touch this. Almost sounds like everything is controlled from the White House and all Bush has to do is sign into law outlawing illegal immigrants and then the next day, the police or the INS can go around and find them easily and deport them.... Some of us live in the real world...
124 posted on 01/08/2004 9:38:55 AM PST by futureceo31
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To: Cyber Liberty
why should I, not really interested Einstein, I see your manners haven't improved, Ms Manners. ROFLMAO
125 posted on 01/08/2004 9:39:19 AM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. U.S.M.C. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi! HAPPY NEW YEAR!)
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To: citizen
Soooooo, how many cattle-cars will it take to move a few million people?
126 posted on 01/08/2004 9:39:36 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: independentmind
I like Chavez and think she is correct about Bush's proposal.

She is a neo-con phony conservative and she is wrong.

The administration obviously lined her up to do this propaganda piece.

127 posted on 01/08/2004 9:40:06 AM PST by WackyKat
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To: PhiKapMom
"I bet you are right about most of these families have children born in this Country who are U.S. Citizens. Very good point!"

That speaks to two of the areas of this proposal with which I take greatest issue.

1. Guest workers are allowed to bring over their families. Even if each guest worker only brought over one family member - on average - we would be effectively doubling the immigrant population.

2. As long as families are coming here together, there will be a lot more children born to these people in the US. That means a huge influx in new citizens (most of whose parents will not have had the means to pay for OB services, which the taxpayers will have to absorb). There are already laws on the books, I can't quote them, that allow parents of children born in the states to stay here.

I agree that we must do something about the people who are already here and already entrenched in our economy, but this is just a very bad way to go about it.

128 posted on 01/08/2004 9:40:19 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: PhiKapMom
The long term effects of this proposal will create a permanent under-class, similar to Mexico's. PC is preventing us from identifying an important fact - Mexico, potentially one the wealthiest countries in the southern hemisphere, is a basket case of corruption - the filthy rich and the incredibly poor. Along with the decent folk entering our country we have inherited hordes of the worst kind who just cannot believe the naivete of the American people and their government. They will play upon this naivete and manipulate the system at the expense of the rest of us. Since most don't speak english to any degree they will congregate in ever expanding enclaves where they will be influenced by their peers and guided in ways as to how to work the system.

With our adoption of the small family, through birth control and abortion, they will outpopulate us. As the rest of the nation's workforce moves on into a high tech environment such as our inevitable journey to the stars, most of them will be left behind, many with nothing to do. What happens then? As we advance through the century, technology will eliminate many of the jobs they are currently engaged in. What happens to them? might be fifty million of them by then.

Our experts have looked to the future and determined that we simply do not have have the population to continue growing and expanding our economy - this is there temporary solution. There has to be a better way.
129 posted on 01/08/2004 9:40:25 AM PST by Eighth Square (All the people, all of the time!)
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To: KC_Conspirator
My AOL crashed and this ping list came from someone who was keeping it for me. Now I have been using it for several weeks now and this is the first time you reminded me. Will take you off -- next time, please drop me a freep mail.

Has your computer or ISP ever had to be reloaded? If people quit sending crap to me, I might not have that problem.
130 posted on 01/08/2004 9:40:58 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: kellynla
So we fingerprint every citizen and have biometric scans whenever we walk into a doc's office, or go get a job? How do you prevent fraud. Fraud is going to exist no matter what and if you fradulently present a card and you are caught, arent you entered into the system to be flagged?
131 posted on 01/08/2004 9:40:58 AM PST by futureceo31
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To: PhiKapMom
a guest worker program would allow employers to fill jobs in industries that routinely experience shortages of workers willing to do the often difficult, dangerous jobs Americans shun -- at least at wages that allow employers to remain in business.

Funny how construction was in business and considered a good job for those without much of an education until those jobs were destroyed by illegal immigration. To put it more bluntly, the reasoning that illegals are only doing the jobs americans wont do is a dishonest lie. It is a lie being told by dishonest poeple who want to justify themselves by giving away what doesnt belong to themselves in the first place. Arent you all just charitable people.

I wonder how many times this has to be pointed out before one of you isnt too cowardly to respond to the facts. Who the hell do you think your fooling?

132 posted on 01/08/2004 9:41:13 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: Eighth Square
PC is preventing us from identifying an important fact - Mexico, potentially one the wealthiest countries in the southern hemisphere, is a basket case of corruption - the filthy rich and the incredibly poor.

I couldn't agree more with that and why I posted earlier that Fox needs to do something about the corruption and graft and take care of his own people and help with closing the borders.

133 posted on 01/08/2004 9:42:52 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: PhiKapMom
Just so everybody knows, Fox News is falling in line with the WH. So much for fair and balanced. Guess the guys at the top got the call from Rove.
134 posted on 01/08/2004 9:43:15 AM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: DeathfromBelow
You're right. My bad.
135 posted on 01/08/2004 9:44:00 AM PST by Texas Federalist
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To: WackyKat
The "Deans-of-the-Right" don't want gradual results, they want "them" out, and they want it *now*.
136 posted on 01/08/2004 9:44:17 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: WackyKat
The problem is that the administration is in the pocket of corporate internationalists who wish to exploit cheap labor and don't care one bit about the negative effects of Third Worldization . . .

I think you're only partially correct on this one. As someone else pointed out, major corporations aren't likely to hire illegal aliens -- look at the trouble Wal-Mart has gotten into for using subcontractors who hired illegals.

More than likely, the "corporatist agenda" here is to bring as many immigrants into this country just so they can earn/steal U.S. dollars and become just like any other good old American consumer.

General Motors' ultimate dream is not a Mexican immigrant working on the assembly line -- it's a Mexican immigrant sitting behind the wheel of a Chevy Suburban.

137 posted on 01/08/2004 9:44:26 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: CheezyD
Bush is on the right track. There is now way this country will deport 12 million people. Use your freakin' heads.

BS! If the govt can enforce the guest worker program then they have just displayed that they could have enforced our immigration laws in the first place. It isnt about deporting 12 million people it is about going after employers who are breaking the law and it wont take alot.

138 posted on 01/08/2004 9:44:31 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: PhiKapMom
People do not usually agree with 100% of what a President does but when it comes to voting, you vote for the person nearest what you believe that CAN get elected.

I consider myself part of the base also, and in my whole life I have never gotten everything I have wanted, let alone out of a political candidate. If one votes now, to send a message, he/she maybe, will get their answer forty yrs from now.!!!

139 posted on 01/08/2004 9:44:42 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: PhiKapMom
First of all you miss the point people are making -- Pres Bush proposed this but did not make it the law.

So what? He has made his administrations policy on immigration clear-are you saying we should not take him seriously?

This is exactly what Bush 41 did, got overconfident and decided he could take his base for granted on an issue(taxes) that they felt very strongly about.

And it cost Bush 41 his re-election

140 posted on 01/08/2004 9:44:56 AM PST by WackyKat
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