W's Live Speech Thread

Fox News | 1-7-04 | my favorite headache

[My Favorite Headache]

Press conference starts at 2:45 EST....get the prilosec out...we are going to need it.

[B Knotts]

I dunno. Maybe. I gotta say, I'm gonna have a hard time supporting him after this, CFR, prescription drugs, etc.

The icing on the cake would be renewing the AWB.

[HolgerDansk]

Ahhh. You're a "Progressive". Noted.

Given that I've got Kemp, Bennett and Cato on my side, you are mistaken. Ahhh, you an ad-hominem liberal. Noted.

[putupon]

Eastern European Jews "overran" the Lower East Side of Manhatten

They were LEGAL! They did not sneak in under cover of night!

Jorge is rewarding criminals to buy votes!

"Borders? We don' need no steenkin' borders!"

[maica]

Second, if they are not employed, they must go home. That's going to be easy to check and easy to enforce. Third, I think they are about to get dead serious about enforcing the borders. This is all in preparation for it.
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This is the part that so many seem to have a hard time absorbing. I would love to think that it also would require local law enforcement AND the homeland security reciprocal component to actually remove the riff-raff (drug dealer is not going to fill the qualification for a worker's card) back to their home country.

[ravingnutter]

Let's invite illegal immigrants to do your job for a fraction of your pay--no reason for your work product to be so pricey.

***Sigh****...let's cut the irrational uninformed attacks already...the prevailing wage must be paid under guest worker programs...

Wage Requirement

On the Labor Condition Application (LCA) the employer must attest that it will pay "no less than the greater of the following" :

(a) The actual wage level paid to all other individuals at the work site with similar experience and qualifications for the position in question; OR (b) The prevailing wage for the occupational classification in the area of intended employment.

Immigration Lawyer's website

[Flyer]

Well, I took it differently. I didn't see pandering, but rather a way to get a handle on who is in our country.

[Jennikins]

Just think Willie, if we all had voted in Pat Buchanan, we wouldn't be in this immigration mess. I was for Pat and I know you were also. He wanted to actually close the borders. Instead they are wide open, and if thats not enough, our Pres is giving amnesty to millions, and millions more will be coming in. The word is out.

[WackyKat]

There is plenty of room in this country for people who want to work.

Sure, tell that to the millions of Americans who have lost jobs in the last two years

The driving force behind mass immigration is to drive down American wages until they equalize with Third World wages

[gura]

The only option I don't have is to vote for someone who stands on principles and upholds the laws of the United States of America. Didn't W take an oath in that regard?

[AmericanInTokyo]

[Snerfling]

Exactamundo. Half of the illegals don't even want to spend their winters here - they'd rather go back to their villages like they always did before the border was tightened.

There's been plenty of posts here that have mentioned how much money is sent back to Mexico. Wadda ya think it's like in those villages when the actual BREADWINNER returns for a few months?

Has anyone here considered the incentive on the illegal's part to get into the system? Hint: think sex. As an added bonus, the nascent family stays in Mexico.

Once the whole operation is legit, they'll be able to cross the border just like everyone else. That being said, there's a couple of key factors to make the system work:

#1 Fingerprinting, and
#2 Criminal fines for hiring undocumented workers

Apply pressure on both sides of the equation, and we should get a very high rate of conformance.

[Pukin Dog]

Most of the comments here suggest that a great many of you have either read or heard about this plan through a very narrow prism. A more thoughtful reaction would be to understand that you cannot manage anything that you cannot control. The phrase "measure twice, cut once" comes to mind. Everyone of us KNOWS that no politician on either side of the aisle is going to enforce border protections. It is the new third rail of politics. So, essentially just get over it.

Now, if the borders are not going to be enforced, and I repeat, we all know that they will NOT be, then the next best thing, is to extract whatever positives from the reality as we can. I for one, do not care if this plan is blatant pandering on Bush's part, because it is clear that it is better for us and the country if Bush is reelected, instead of some Democrat. Reagan did things I didn't like, like raising taxes, but who here would suggest that if given the chance they would not vote for him again?

To those of you demanding attention by suggesting that you will not vote for Bush, just shut up. Most of us do not care. Your silly stance wont gain you anything, and if you think most of us are nodding our heads in agreement, we aint, okay? Try to remember that the President belongs to everyone, not just Conservatives. If you think any President is going to walk lockstep with any viewpoint on every issue, please grow up.

Hell, how many argument among Conservatives break out here every damn day?

[eleni121]

NOTABLE IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA (very partial list FOCUSED ON ENTERTAINMENT)
Name (Date of Birth-Death) Native Country Arrived Field

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Charles Atlas (1894-1972) Italy 1903 Bodybuilding
Irving Berlin (1888-1989) Russia 1893 Music
Frank Capra (1897-1991) Italy 1903 Film
Claudette Colbert (1903-1996) France 1912 Film/Theater
Xavier Cugat (1900-1990) Spain/Cuba 1915 Music
Karl Dane (1886-1934) Denmark 1920 Film
Father Edward Flanagan (1886-1948) Ireland 1904 Religion
Felix Frankfurter (1882-1965) Austria 1894 Law
Marcus Garvey (1887-1940) Jamaica 1916 Politics
Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931) Lebanon 1895 Literature
Arshile Gorky (1904-1948) Armenia 1920 Art
Bob Hope (1903- ) England 1908 Show Business
Sol Hurok (1884-1974) Ukraine 1906 Theater
Al Jolson (1886-1950) Lithuania 1894 Show Business
Elia Kazan (1909- ) Turkey 1913 Film/Theater
Ruby Keeler (1909-1993) Canada 1912 Dance
John Kluge (1914- ) Germany 1925 Business
Alfred Levitt (1894- ) Belarus 1911 Art
Bela Lugosi (1882-1956) Hungary 1921 Film/Theater
Hyman G. Rickover (1898-1986) Russia 1904 Science
Edward G. Robinson (1893-1973) Romania 1903 Film
Knute Rockne (1888-1931) Norway 1893 Sports
Lee Strasberg (1902-1982) Austria 1909 Theater
Arthur Tracy (1899-1997) Russia 1906 Music/Film
Rudolph Valentino (1895-1926) Italy 1913 Film
Baron von Trapp & Family Austria 1938 Music

[You Dirty Rats]

Not to mention the fact that Americans purchase goods made overseas as well. Doesn't that also transfer jobs overseas?

[rintense]

You can slop sugar all over a hog but it is still a pig underneath. As such, I withhold any judgment on this proposal until I see the details. All we saw was sugar today. I want to see the hog.

[Flyer]

didn't tackle to the toughest parts

Ah, this was just an outline. Congress will have to write up the details. And I hope he makes them keep it tough.

[McGavin999]

So am I supposed to not see the literally dozens of men standing by the Circle K waiting for a pickup every morning? Yeah. Right. I was born at night -- but not last night.

The thing is, if they are standing around waiting for a job it means they don't have a steady job. The pickup that will pick them up will belong to the INS.

The reason for this is that we haven't enforced the immigration laws in decades. Even attempting to enforce them will result in lawsuits that would probably be won. However, by passing this new law, in the light of 9-11, we will be able to enforce the laws and nobody will be able to scream.

The best part of this is, if you don't have a job, you have to go home. PERIOD.

I listened to McCain last night (I detest the man but he knows what's in this plan) and he said that if Americans apply for a job, it can not be given to a guest worker. That means you can't decide to hire a guest worker unless no American even applied for the job.

[pgkdan]

I don't think that W learned anything from Perot's 1992 run. He seems to be begging for a Conservative Third Party candidate this year. CFR, Prescription Drugs, this montrosity...What in world is he thinking???

[Light Speed]

Just think..when all those myriads of Mexicans get out of Prison.....they'll be your Tax paying neighbours....at least the Gov thinks so.

[sinkspur]

He won with 537 votes last time, that won't happen again.

That's true. He'll win 35 states, at least.