Say It Ain't So, Dubya

boblonsberry.com ^ | 1/7/04 | Bob Lonsberrry

[org.whodat]

What do you want? Bush and strong defense, or Dean,

False argument, who control's the house and senate? Well maybe not after this amnesty deal. Anyway Bush has been in office three years, how many new divisions have been added to the military?

[BureaucratusMaximus]

The US taxpayer wins on this.

Exactly how does that happen? I figure I can do a much better job investing %8-%10 more of my paycheck than the feds can.

Unless you are operating under the premise that, social security will never go away; so in order to be able to pay the benefits for all the baby boomers till they die (and afterward), the US has to import every 18-35 year old Julio and Lupita they can get to be able to fund it...the alternative to that is to raise the SS tax rate.

[pcx99]

But you have to remember that in the past those large influxes of immigrants WANTED TO BE AMERICANS. They assimilated. The Mexicans don't want to do that.

This charge has been leveled against every immigrant wave since the mayflower. It was untrue of the irish, it was untrue of the poles, untrue of the italians, the germans, the jews, the vietnamese, the chineese, the japaneese, and it's untrue of the Mexicans.

[princess leah]

This whole issue is difficult - I will wait to give my opinion on Bush's policy until I HEAR it first - how many times has the media come out and stated what Bush will do, but yet has left out important facts until he's told us so himself. Everything this man stands for talks about responsibility yet with care towards human life - so,let's see the details first and then start another thread...

[SheLion]

I agree - the demoncrats are dispacable no doubt - but if we vote for Bush then we can only expect more of this. My hope is that the congress will continue to become more conservative and this will force positive change in our country.

PLEASE tell me you won't vote for "syrpy sweet mouth" Dean!

[skeeter]

No, I won't vote for Howard Dean or Hitlery Clinton, but I am ready to sit this election out.

We conservatives need to vote, there are other candidates who are worthy of our support.

But if you want to send a very clear message to the party on this issue, write in Tom Tancredo for president.

[ravingnutter]

JMO, but you have outed yourself as DU'er.

I was curious about that as well, what convinced me is that sasafras called him Bush Jr., which is a big DU red flag. No one that has ever held the slightest allegiance towards Bush calls him Jr.

[aruanan]

Say It Ain't So, Dubya

Just think, if we got rid of 270 million of the 300 million people living in the United States, we could have at least 10 jobs for every one of the 30 million left to choose from! We'd have more than full employment. And since there would be less people, there would be a whole lot more money to go around and we could all make many, many times more than we do right now!

[MEGoody]

"I answered you in a previous thread. Perhaps you should refresh your browser before asking the same question again and again."

I see. So you can post the same thing again and again and again, but others can't.

Ever heard the word hypocrisy?

[MissAmericanPie]

"If you want to see the America of 2020 look toward florida where the large cuban immigrants have reshaped that state."

Yeah buddy, they have "reshaped" it into areas that you dare not run out of gas in, in Miami. The job vacancy problem is already being "solved" by outsourcing of jobs and manufacturing. All Mexicans will do is reduce the average wage to poverty level and destroy the American standard of living.

[Capitalism2003]

When will it end??? Not into YOU, my fellow Freepers, make it happen. Our only hope is to show them we will not tolerate endless compromise.

"And what country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?"

--Thomas Jefferson

[MEGoody]

"Seeing that one of the few real and constitutional duties of the federal government IS to defend and protect the borders of this country, I'd think %100 of real conservatives would overwhelmingly support it thankyouverymuch."

Based on what I've seen on other threads, anything that cost more money (e.g. the Dept. of Homeland Security) is a bad thing according to those who have labeled themselves the 'real conservatives.'

So, hon, don't get snippy with me. Get snippy with them when they start ranting about it.

[KantianBurke]

Bit of a difference. Plenty of Bush supporters are tauntingly asking "well what's YOUR plan to deal with illegals?" I therefore paste a very comprehensive list of actions that can be taken for their benefit as well as those Freepers who are unable to answer. You just respond with a couple sentence whine that doesn't address any segement of the post.

[sarcasm]

But if you want to send a very clear message to the party on this issue, write in Tom Tancredo for president

Exactly what I plan to do.

[VRWC_minion]

You are close. The taxes we receive on the scheme far exceed the value of the future benefit. No one would buy this product if it was sold by fidelity or vanguard. Therefore, instead of complaining about new participants, we should be knocking on doors attempting to get more people involved.

[axel f]

I agree with you 100 percent. Thanks for posting what I was thinking.

[MEGoody]

"You just respond with a couple sentence whine that doesn't address any segement of the post."

LOL My, aren't you testy. LOL

If you'd have bothered to actually READ what I initially posted, I didn't say whether I felt the proposal was right or wrong. I only pointed out that there are those who have labeled themselves 'real conservatives' that will not support any proposal that costs them money, whether in the short term or long term.

If you have an issue with that attitude, your issue is with THEM. Take a chill pill.

[biblewonk]

I hear you brother. Many immigrants are great people from hard working solid family backrounds. They have a lot of positive things to offer this country. I still find it amazing how people who come here, many barely speaking the language, manage to carve out a good life for themselves and their families. While other traditional Americans can't manage to keep or find a job or manage other basic civic responsibilities for that matter.

It seems that those willing to come here at any cost are here for a very different reason than those who claim to have inherited their existance here from those who were brought here in chains. I hope that goofy sentence makes sense.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

Based on what I've seen on other threads, anything that cost more money (e.g. the Dept. of Homeland Security) is a bad thing according to those who have labeled themselves the 'real conservatives.'

So, hon, don't get snippy with me. Get snippy with them when they start ranting about it.

*whatever*