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US court upholds firing for anti-gay Bible quotes
Reuters via forbes ^ | 1/6/04 | Reuters

Posted on 01/06/2004 3:50:25 PM PST by machman

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A federal appeals court Tuesday upheld a lower court ruling that Hewlett-Packard Co. did not violate the rights of a devout Christian employee when it fired him for posting Biblical scriptures on his cubicle that were critical of homosexuality.

The San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit held that HP did not discriminate against Richard Peterson when it fired him after he posted quotes from the Bible in his cubicle in response to company posters featuring gay employees.

The HP posters, which carried the slogan "Diversity is Our Strength," were part of an effort to promote the computer and printer maker's bid to hire and retain a diverse work force.

Peterson was fired for insubordination after refusing to remove the biblical postings, which managers determined could be viewed as offensive.

Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote that Peterson, a veteran HP employee who worked in HP's Boise, Idaho office, had failed to provide evidence he was sacked for his religious beliefs.

Instead, Reinhardt held Peterson was fired for repeatedly disregarding instructions to remove his biblical postings, including one from Leviticus explicitly addressing homosexuality.

A passage, which Peterson had conceded was "intended to be hurtful," reads: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Judge Reinhardt said it would have been an "undue hardship" for HP to have accommodated Peterson's demands that he be allowed to post scriptures in response to the posters, or that he remove his postings in exchange for HP taking down its posters promoting diversity.

Either option would have also hurt the company's efforts to "attract and retain a qualified, diverse work force, which the company reasonably views as vital to its commercial success," Reinhardt wrote.

Lawyers for Peterson and Palo Alto, California-based HP could not be immediately reached for comment.

Copyright 2004, Reuters News Service


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: California; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; antichristianbias; bible; catholiclist; discrimination; gay; hewlettpackard; homosexualagenda; scripture; workplace
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To: xzins
I think I agree with you. Inside the cubicle just seems to be a more personal space, and the employee could arguably be reaffirming his own beliefs without intending to make a public statement.

The story doesn't tell us precisely, but I think it's pretty likely that they were on the outside of his cubicle, and he definitely was trying to make a statement intended for others.

The fact that none of here on this thread (at least so far) think that those messages were profane, dangerous, or racist is not really the point. The fact is that the employer thought they were counter-productive to what the company was trying to accomplish, rightly or wrongly. Insubordination is a darn good reason to fire somebody you're paying, and when the employee refused to go along, then it's pretty clear that the employer/employee relationship needed to end.

There's a much better way to handle this, by the way. Posters promoting company "diversity for alternative lifestyles" can simply end up missing.

101 posted on 01/06/2004 6:14:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: petitfour
The company, not any single employee determines, what is appropriate and what is not. If it was my business I would not stand for an employee dictating company bannerization policies. HP is a business in a highly competitive market place. If the management thought that particular campaign was appropriate then that is the law of the land. I didn't find the actions of the Christian emplolyee very Christian. He intended to be hurtful. Christ said "we are not here to judge, but to be judged". If the Christian didn't like it he should go start his own company!
102 posted on 01/06/2004 6:15:07 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: LibertarianInExile
but I think that the guy admitted his intent meant that it was a great case for HP.

All we have is the writer of the article saying that they man put his quotes up with "hurtful intent". I would like to hear the man himself, when I read that in the article I thought it sounded bogus. I mean, what person in his right mind would say that? It rang false.

103 posted on 01/06/2004 6:15:52 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
No it's not. It's reducing it to the absurd so that people having trouble understanding complex arguments can see the point.
104 posted on 01/06/2004 6:18:28 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dave S
California DID pass a law that businesses could not refuse to hire cross dressers.
105 posted on 01/06/2004 6:18:29 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Jorge
Homosexuals have just as much a right to a job as adulterers, unmarried people who live together, singles who run around bars picking up one night stands etc. ALL of which are condemned as sin.

Did the guy say HP should not hire homosexuals? No, he did not. He was illustrating a point. The company has deliberately offended Christians by putting up posters promoting gays in the workplace. He was deliberately offending the company bureaucrats who came up with this stupid diversity promotion which was probably unnecessary in the first place. Unless the goal of HP is to recruit homosexuals over Christians. (and they have a right to do that in my book)

106 posted on 01/06/2004 6:19:13 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Jorge
Homosexuals have just as much a right to a job as adulterers, unmarried people who live together, singles who run around bars picking up one night stands etc. ALL of which are condemned as sin.

Yes, but homosexual acts are being glorified and promoted by HP and posters celebrating the same are forced into peoples' cubicles.

The idea that a so-called "Christian" is going to post scripture deliberately intended to hurt others(as the guy admitted)

All we have is the writer's statement about that, I would like to hear the man's own words.

in order to protest his company hiring those whose personal sins he disagrees with, is just obnoxious.

According to the article, he wanted to remove the "diversity" poster in his cubicle, they wouldn't let him, so he put the quotes up. "Celebrating diversity" (code word for homosexuality) is forced on him, that's ok. But he can't even not have that poster in his cubicle?

People are making the point that "it's a private company etc". Read tubavil's post 73.

107 posted on 01/06/2004 6:21:19 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: machman
They are a private company. They should have every right to regulate employee conduct WITHIN the workplace. Remember, that employee was on PRIVATE PROPERTY, and signed a CONTRACT (i assume) in which he agreed to live by company policies. I thought conservatives supported property rights?
108 posted on 01/06/2004 6:22:23 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: machman
Ever noticed that the words "diversity" and "perversity" are so similar? I guess that is what confuses HP and so many other companies.
109 posted on 01/06/2004 6:23:29 PM PST by Aarchaeus
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To: Natural Law
I agree that HP has the right to fire him. And I think it was fine of him to speak or post the truth. So, he was fired.

110 posted on 01/06/2004 6:23:33 PM PST by petitfour
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To: libhater
Would they be allowed to put heterosexual posters up that only promote the hiring of heterosexuals. Or could they put up posters that promote only the hiring of white males.

If they did either of those they would be up to their nostrils in lawsuits.

111 posted on 01/06/2004 6:23:46 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: machman
I'm in the market for a new computer and I've had good luck with Compaq (HP owned) & Hewlett Packard but my next one won't be either.
112 posted on 01/06/2004 6:23:56 PM PST by RightWinger
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To: machman
He should appeal this ruling. The Judges are Jerks and out of order.
113 posted on 01/06/2004 6:24:35 PM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: machman
Judges should be elected, not appointed.
114 posted on 01/06/2004 6:25:23 PM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dog Gone
Nope, it's a straw man argument. No religion comes close to the absurdity you use. And I don't call santeria a religion, it's weird black magic.
And you must think other people here are pretty stupid if you have to use silly non-useful "arguments" to help them understand the vast complexities of this thread.
115 posted on 01/06/2004 6:27:05 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: dhs12345
>>Religion and politics are best not discussed/displayed at work. <<

But religion is being shoved down everyone's throats, all the time. The religion of "diversity" and "tolerance."
116 posted on 01/06/2004 6:27:06 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: petitfour
He was deliberately offending the company bureaucrats who came up with this stupid diversity promotion which was probably unnecessary in the first place.

And that's a pretty darn good way to get fired, especially when you refuse to stop.

A lot of people like to think that they have a lot of constitutional rights they can invoke against fellow citizens. In fact, those rights are limits against what the federal government can do.

Too much "free speech" in the face of your employer is going to get you fired every time.

117 posted on 01/06/2004 6:27:21 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: little jeremiah
... being forced to kowtow at the altar of "diversity" i.e. homosexuality.

And how is this? Either you have no idea what you are talking about, or you are woefully misinformed. You are forced to treat everyone you work with in a professional manner, with respect and dignity. You need not even acknowlege they exist outside of the office. You do not need to be their friend, confidante', buddy or even acquaintence outside of work. But while at work, you will treat everyone with the same level of respect as you expect to be treated yourself.

You are not forced to discuss your sex life with anyone at work, straight or gay. Doing so is grounds for dismissal. You do not need to 'date' them. All you are forbidden from doing is harassing them. You can't scream 'nigger', 'Jew', 'spic', 'chink', 'bitch' or 'whore', either. Now, if you don't like those rules, you are free to go work in a location where you can discriminate and harass your favorite scapegoat to your heart's content.

118 posted on 01/06/2004 6:27:33 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: george wythe
it's not a controversial quote from Leviticus


Nothing controversial about it. It states what it states.
119 posted on 01/06/2004 6:31:36 PM PST by bulldogs
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To: Dog Gone
Note the words "in" his cubicle:

after he posted quotes from the Bible in his cubicle in response to company posters featuring gay employees.

You said:

"The story doesn't tell us precisely, but I think it's pretty likely that they were on the outside of his cubicle, and he definitely was trying to make a statement intended for others."

It's completely clear his quotes were IN his cubicle, and solely as a response for being forced to view a poster celebrating homosexuality IN his own work space.

120 posted on 01/06/2004 6:31:38 PM PST by little jeremiah
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