Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

US court upholds firing for anti-gay Bible quotes
Reuters via forbes ^ | 1/6/04 | Reuters

Posted on 01/06/2004 3:50:25 PM PST by machman

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A federal appeals court Tuesday upheld a lower court ruling that Hewlett-Packard Co. did not violate the rights of a devout Christian employee when it fired him for posting Biblical scriptures on his cubicle that were critical of homosexuality.

The San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit held that HP did not discriminate against Richard Peterson when it fired him after he posted quotes from the Bible in his cubicle in response to company posters featuring gay employees.

The HP posters, which carried the slogan "Diversity is Our Strength," were part of an effort to promote the computer and printer maker's bid to hire and retain a diverse work force.

Peterson was fired for insubordination after refusing to remove the biblical postings, which managers determined could be viewed as offensive.

Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote that Peterson, a veteran HP employee who worked in HP's Boise, Idaho office, had failed to provide evidence he was sacked for his religious beliefs.

Instead, Reinhardt held Peterson was fired for repeatedly disregarding instructions to remove his biblical postings, including one from Leviticus explicitly addressing homosexuality.

A passage, which Peterson had conceded was "intended to be hurtful," reads: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Judge Reinhardt said it would have been an "undue hardship" for HP to have accommodated Peterson's demands that he be allowed to post scriptures in response to the posters, or that he remove his postings in exchange for HP taking down its posters promoting diversity.

Either option would have also hurt the company's efforts to "attract and retain a qualified, diverse work force, which the company reasonably views as vital to its commercial success," Reinhardt wrote.

Lawyers for Peterson and Palo Alto, California-based HP could not be immediately reached for comment.

Copyright 2004, Reuters News Service


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: California; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; antichristianbias; bible; catholiclist; discrimination; gay; hewlettpackard; homosexualagenda; scripture; workplace
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 421 next last
To: machman
I agree with the court, the guy should have been fired.
The Bible says homosexuality is a sin, that adultery is a sin, in most cases divorce and remarriage is sin, sex before marriage is sin etc. etc.

Would this guy post verses condemning adulterers, those living together and unmarried etc. in order to offend them and oppose their right to work at HP?

I agree with the Bible that homosexuality is one sin among many. But I also believe in equal rights for homosexuals when it comes to housing, employment" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: employment';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">employment etc. so believe there was nothing wrong with HP including gays in it's diversity policy.

Perhaps this junior Pharisee would like HP to purge it's ranks of ALL sinners?
This is the kind of "Christian" that gives all Christians a bad name. He should have been fired.

81 posted on 01/06/2004 5:31:40 PM PST by Jorge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins
Companies can't descriminate in hiring or retaining employees based on their religion, in general, but they can restrict your expression or practice of it in the workplace. I mean, what if your religion required you to sacrifice a cat once an hour?
82 posted on 01/06/2004 5:32:46 PM PST by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone; Hodar
I don't think we disagree on the notion that it's dumb for a business to do anything but its job, which is selling its products/services for money. Discrimination against any class of worker that does the job hurts only the business in the long run.

But the government has said that businesses can't discriminate, while essentially setting up white Christian males as a suspect class as a result. This guy was expressing his religious beliefs. That's no different from a Sikh in a turban or a Muslim with a prayer rug in the cubicle. I think if his objective had NOT been to intentionally offend, he would have a legit case (whether I agree with him or not). I think this case was probably going to get settled the way it was regardless of that, but I think that the guy admitted his intent meant that it was a great case for HP.

That said, I would love to see the 9th get overturned on this one, and the turmoil it could cause.
83 posted on 01/06/2004 5:34:11 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (When taglines are outlawed only outlaws will have taglines.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Momus
The poster promoting homosexuals in the workplace is alienating of Christians. I am dismissing the guy who filed the lawsuit. HP has the right to fire him for insubordination. At the same time, HP is showing how hypocritical they are.

btw, I don't consider Bible verses hateful or prejudicial. I do not believe God is nondiscriminating. This guy is better off away from HP. He could have kept his mouth shut or his cubicle empty. However, I guess it was time to show the world what diversity agendas in the workplace are all about. I would like to see the offensive posters.
84 posted on 01/06/2004 5:34:45 PM PST by petitfour
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: gitmo
How can you call it anything besides a religion when a company places posters on their walls declaring something "good" that is scripturally defined as a sin?

Because true religion requires faith.
Sin and evil do not.

Religion is defined thusly:

The noun "religion" has 2 senses in WordNet.

1. religion, faith, religious belief -- (a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality")

2. religion, faith -- (institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him")

Moral degradation and downfall require no faith.

None.
Ergo, no religion.

85 posted on 01/06/2004 5:37:08 PM PST by humblegunner (Got Mental Health Insurance?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: humblegunner
I see a difference between sinning and advocating sin as good and proper. The latter is prostelytizing for an ethical code.
86 posted on 01/06/2004 5:39:55 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
I didn't say homosexuality is a religion. Adulter, drunkenness, lying, stealing, and murder are not religions either. But promoting these things as good and proper things is.
87 posted on 01/06/2004 5:42:25 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Momus
So disallowing people to spout hate and prejudice against fellow human beings is alienating Christians?

Thank you! This guy is the sort of intolerant zealot that gives Christians a bad name.

I agree with the Bible that homosexuality is sin, but this sort of religious judgementalism doesn't belong in the work place.

Homosexuals have just as much a right to a job as adulterers, unmarried people who live together, singles who run around bars picking up one night stands etc. ALL of which are condemned as sin.

The idea that a so-called "Christian" is going to post scripture deliberately intended to hurt others(as the guy admitted) in order to protest his company hiring those whose personal sins he disagrees with, is just obnoxious.

88 posted on 01/06/2004 5:43:58 PM PST by Jorge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: machman
Once again another Homosexual substitution of tyranny in the name of tolerance. There is no practice of acceptance here, only a one sided view of victomhood for those who's lifestyle is against common sense and the sole diving force in their "definition" of themselves.

Homosexuals are only victomes of their actions. When did a religious statment of the fact become offensive?
89 posted on 01/06/2004 5:44:42 PM PST by WritableSpace
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gitmo
Adulter, drunkenness, lying, stealing, and murder are not religions either. But promoting these things as good and proper things is.

I don't think most people could possibly agree with you. You're redefining religion in a very unique way.

And it's terribly counter-productive, if you think about it. You want to give the very things you oppose at least as much constitutional protection under the First Amendment as you're claiming for your own religion.

90 posted on 01/06/2004 5:50:25 PM PST by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: xzins
This would mean that sexual orientation has been moved higher on the discrimination hierarchy than is religion.

I don't think so. There is nothing about this case that suggests HP now has a policy of firing people for their religion.

Or that sexual orientation was moved higher on the discrimination hierarchy than religion.

If a homosexual had posted opinions that were not only designed to offend Christians but intended to oppose HP's policy of employing Christians, then that would be the equivalent of what this guy did.

This guy clearly diserved to be fired.

91 posted on 01/06/2004 5:57:34 PM PST by Jorge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
posting Biblical scriptures on his cubicle that were critical of homosexuality

This is exactly the crime, at least as the article reports it.

He didn't post them on the lunchroom bulletin board, he didn't picket in front of the building entrance, and he apparently was doing his work.

He posted his opinion on his own cubicle. We don't know if they were inside his cubicle or on the outside where visible to others.

If on the inside, then I would side with the employee.

If on the outside, he should have been told that that was open space that was not his personal work space, and that he should have taken his personal opinions inside his own space.

If it were my company, I would not want profane, racist, or dangerous messages in an open area. I would not have considered the bible verses to be any of those.

92 posted on 01/06/2004 6:01:32 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: Jorge
See #92
93 posted on 01/06/2004 6:02:36 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: dhs12345
Then one day you too may be fired from your job. I respect you for making this choice.

Could you explain your viewpoint?

94 posted on 01/06/2004 6:03:57 PM PST by little jeremiah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
Since HP is a private company and can do what they want. Would they be allowed to put heterosexual posters up that only promote the hiring of heterosexuals. Or could they put up posters that promote only the hiring of white males. Why are they only allowed to do what they want as long as they arent against minorites. So a private company can fire a christian, but isnt allowed to fire a homo.
95 posted on 01/06/2004 6:04:47 PM PST by libhater
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
. The standing rule at HP (and a great deal of other companies) is that you may not abuse, threaten, harass, demean or ostracize anyone .... period.

With the notable exception of those people who due to their religious beliefs (what to mention common sense) are offended by being forced to kowtow at the altar of "diversity" i.e. homosexuality.

96 posted on 01/06/2004 6:07:14 PM PST by little jeremiah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Momus
So disallowing people to spout hate and prejudice against fellow human beings is alienating Christians?

Just to make sure I understand you correctly, are you saying that if someone either quotes verses stating that homosexuality is a sin, or (just for the sake of clarity) states or considers same sex acts to be unhealthy or unnatural, is this what you mean by "spouting hate and prejudice"?

Please clarify.

97 posted on 01/06/2004 6:09:45 PM PST by little jeremiah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
Who runs the business, the employer or the US government, or some steenkin' judge?

Please read and take note of post 73 written by tubavil.

98 posted on 01/06/2004 6:11:23 PM PST by little jeremiah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
I mean, what if your religion required you to sacrifice a cat once an hour?

Straw man argument.

99 posted on 01/06/2004 6:13:26 PM PST by little jeremiah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: randog
Too much good sense in one post. Watch yourself now.

Dan
100 posted on 01/06/2004 6:14:23 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 421 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson