Will Americans support another amnesty?

www.townhall.com ^ | January 5, 2004 | Phyllis Schlafly

[Don Joe]

"Its going to go to the lowest bidder jack...deal with it."

Suddenly, Lenin's assertion that the last capitalist would sell the rope with which he'd be hanged doesn't seem quite so far-fetched.

[Neil E. Wright]

BUMP at post 104 ... to read the other posts

[Don Joe]

There's over 200 replies on this thread. How many repliers have emailed the President? What good does it do to just rant, rave and complain to each other?

About as much good as it does to email the rulers.

I just emailed the White House and let my voice be heard.

How big a check did you attach to that email?

[Don Joe]

I can't recall the exact quote or person or anything, but I do know that one of our founding fathers also mentioned the principle that an aggressive minority tends to rule the placid and apathetic majority.

It's from the apocryphal works of Freud, namely, "The egotist rides the idiot." :)

[FITZ]

Let's be accurate. We're talking about Mexicans. All other foreigners have to jump through all the hoops, and get no breaks at all.

And why? Why not Haitians? They're close by and many of them would desperately love to come over for the same reasons except their leader isn't like Fox demanding he be allowed to send over his entire country. Why not Africans ---- they need jobs, they would work for less money. I don't understand what looks like an attempt to merge us with Mexico and Fox is actually being given a certain authority over this nation and our laws.

[FITZ]

And I agree --- I can't see how this could be for the Cuban-American vote at all --- they aren't from Mexico -- and in fact when the so-called "hispanic vote" was comprised mostly of Cuban-Americans and Spanish-Americans of the SW, it was much more Republican than it is now.

This isn't going to help Republican hispanics even -- not in the SW where Republicans like Henry Bonilla don't do that well with the voters moving in from Mexico.

[azhenfud]

How many Illegaliens do you hire?

[EverOnward]

I don't view deflation as catastrophic. So now we can pick and choose which laws to enforce? If Bush wants millions of South Americans/Mexicans in this country, he needs to be brutally honest and change the laws so that they can be here legally. The brutal truth is, these illegals are used as slaves by American businesses out of sheer greed.

[ought-six]

Thanks!

[ought-six]

"Right, as well as most of Western Europe. So, we'll just say we, western civilization, are collectively comitting national and cultural suicide. Knowingly and wittingly."

Yup.

[FierceDraka]

I say round 'em up and deport 'em. And if the UN complains, shut down their operations in the US, withdraw our membership and funding, and deport them, too.

[azhenfud]

Now, I'll respond to you, line by line. Everything you've stated substantiates everything I've stated before.

"What a crock of crap. How many people have you employed?

WE employ seventy-four AMERICANS, sir, with the minimum wage paid being two and a half times federal minimum. We have no "CHEAP" labor, because each laborer is an investment of our company. How about you?

"Your arguement is specious concerning amnesty [which i oppose incidentally]. Even if every single 'illegal' had gotten here legally, they would still have to compete on the world market [ie against outsourcing]."

Your reasoning is short-sighted, just as expected. Hiring anyone for less than comparable wages retards the natural growth of the standard of living, but you'll have to get your economics education elsewhere, I don't have time.

"Cheap labour is a great thing...especially if they live here and pay taxes...and if you think kicking out illegals permanentaly somehow is going to miraculously create a bonanza of work your wrong...wether or not the illegals are packing Visas makes no diff...cheap labour is killer...I say bring it on. If we don't have a ready supply of cheap labor, take a big rubber stamp and smack your forhead... 'I am in denial about Outsourcing'"

"Outsourcing" can still be accomplished with 8-12 million Illegaliens remaining in their home country. That was partially the intent of NAFTA. Apparently you see only an aspect of a person in the form of a paycheck, and not what occurs to them when that paycheck won't allow ends to meet. Many who are underpaid HAVE TO RESORT TO FOODSTAMPS and other taxpayer funded services simply because the tight-wad employers, like you, are not willing to pay a decent wage for their labor. You call it "CHEAP". You are "cheap", sir, in its fullest sense. Might I suggest you visit any SSI office and make that statement - that "cheap labor" doesn't force those workers into assistance programs. You'll be the man of the day for sure.

"Its going to go to the lowest bidder jack...deal with it."

Yeah, apparently you think because you can get by with "cheap labor", it will never have an accumulative effect on you. Look at your tax burden, jack, (if you actually pay taxes) and see if you can associate this quote into your reality:

"More than 60 percent of federal government expenditures are in the form of entitlements, up from 30 percent four decades ago. This is alarming; hundreds of billions of tax dollars per year are already unavailable for core functions of government. Because of the unsustainability of Social Security and Medicare, the government is on track to spend more than 75 percent of its money on entitlements within a few decades. At that time there will be precious little money left over for bold foreign policy or homeland security initiatives, among other things."

"What are you going to do about the fact that 90% of the rest of the planet will do your job for half the cost?"

Struggle with short-sighted people like you who can't understand that America is NOT the Earth's Welfare state. You may wish to be, but I don't.

"The silence is deafening..."

Just because YOU can't hear, you should not accuse others of not voicing their concerns.

"(I have employed the full gamet of workers over the years. Anyone who thinks that 'cheap labor' is ripping off Americas jobs doesnt have a clue about market fundamentals)"

Again, would you tell us all how many Illegaliens you've employed? It's employers like you who have no idea nor care what you're doing to your employees, your neighborhood, your state, and to your nation by your self-centerdness. You can't see the damage you do for your "profit", but there is a day coming when the support of Illegaliens will come back to bite you and it's going to be hard.

Let me put it like this, if and when these become legal and they demand more for their labor, then what, Mr Smartie? Would it take another 8-12 million to keep your profits in tact?

[Alberta's Child]

If that was the case in real-world situations, post-war Japan would not have flourished as it did, and China would not currently be eating our lunch.

That's a perfectly valid point, but you must remember that a nation with a strong export economy almost by definition must be a nation with a lower standard of living than the countries where its customers are located. Since the United States currently has the highest standard of living in the world, we are not likely to gain a trade surplus anytime soon.

[Alberta's Child]

The brutal truth is that these illegals are actually being used as slaves by American consumers -- the American business is simply the vehicle by which these consumers enjoy a high standard of living at a relatively low cost.

[ZULU]

Instead of dying to get Elian Gonzalez to Florida, his mother should have died getting him to Mexico. Then he could have sneaked across the border with the other illegals and would be a free young man today.

Americans and American politicians in particular, are peculiarly ignorant of world history and foreign cultures, even when they have spent many days there as ambassadors, insulated from the realities of the nations in which they are resident by the walls of an American embassy.

Hispanics are a united group mainly in the perception of ignorant non-hispanics. Each South American nation has its own peculiar culture and its immigrants have their own special interests. They are not necessarily identical.

[af_vet_rr]

Since the United States currently has the highest standard of living in the world, we are not likely to gain a trade surplus anytime soon.

If Bush goes through with this, for better or for worse, the US standard of living will drop.

Think about it, there are plenty of jobs that pay a few bucks above minimum wage, that many people use to put themselves through college or get a foot in the door in the workforce, or they use to buffer their main job or their retirement.

If all of the current illegals are legalized, or more people are allowed to legally immigrate from Mexico, all of the sudden, you have a large number of people for whom the US minimum wage is a godsend when they are allowed to legally apply for work all over the place. For an employer, it's great, you get people who are more than happy to work minimum and they can be easily replaced by somebody else happy to work minimum. For somebody entering the workforce straight out of high school, or trying to put themselves or a spouse through college, all of the sudden they are facing minimum wages and are competing with somebody from another country.

This is the equivalent of sending $6-$9 jobs overseas, only they are staying right here.

[Jack Black]

Gee, there are 300 Million Americans. I think that is plenty of potential customers without anohter 10 million illegals.

[petercooper]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MissAmericanPie]

I think this aging population propaganda is the same kind of snake oil sold claiming that the earth would perish of starvation when the population hit 6 billion.

That global warming is caused by SUV exhaust. Coffee causes cancer, diversity is our strength, and we are a nation of immigrants, and all the other scams that have and are going on.

[MissAmericanPie]

Conservatives are too unorganized or lazy to even mount a massive demonstration in D.C.

So get ready to be paid in peso's.