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Terri Schiavo update: Judge Baird's is OFF case.
Hospice Patients Alliance ^ | 1-5-04 | Ron Panzer

Posted on 01/05/2004 1:42:20 PM PST by cpforlife.org

This is a Hospice Patients Alliance Special Update Jan 5, 2004, sent out periodically to inform the public about news affecting hospice and end-of-life care.

We have just confirmed that ALL of Judge Baird's cases, INCLUDING the suit by Michael Schiavo v Gov Bush related to the Terri's Law, challenging its constitutionality, HAVE been transferred to Judge Nelly Khouzam. This information came directly from Judge Khouzam's assistant. Judge Khouzam is known to be a "by the book" tough, but fair judge.

For a little about Judge Khouzam see:

"Diminutive judge sits tall behind the gavel" Northpinellas St Petersburg Times 12/29/2002 http://www.sptimes.com/2002/12/29/NorthPinellas/Diminutive_judge_sits.shtml

The court is NOT explaining why the judges were suddenly switched, except to say that "judges rotate from time to time." We believe it might have something to do with:

Local PINELLAS COUNTY COURT BAILIFFS AND COURT EMPLOYEES WERE TAKING BETS ON WHETHER TERRI WOULD DIE OR NOT!!!

It was widely reported that Judge Baird made reckless and prejudicial comments in support of Greer and Felos and against Jeb's lawyers way before he had heard the evidence from the Governor's attorneys.

In other words, Judge Baird's comments are the likely reason local Pinellas County employees were doing "inside betting" that the local Pinellas County Judges would back each other's poor and constitutionally illegal decisions against Terri's constitutional rights and thus overrule Jeb Bush and Terri's Law. The 6th Circuit Judges are upset to have anyone tell them they are morally and legally wrong...... whether it's constitutionally illegal or not to murder Terri.

Conducting inside betting on the case is a severe violation of the code of conduct for court employees! Whether that is, or is not, the reason the judges have been switched, the very important change in judge can be extremely significant to what happens to Terri. We are hoping that Judge Khouzam will give the Gov a fair hearing in the case and allow the discovery he sought (which was denied by Baird). If Judge Khouzam allows some discovery as requested by Gov Bush, it could make all the difference!

You heard it hear first!

Ron Panzer President, Hospice Patients Alliance http://www.hospicepatients.org


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: baird; khouzam; schiavo; terrischiavo; terrischindler; terrisfight; terrislaw
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81 posted on 01/05/2004 9:11:40 PM PST by Coleus (Merry Christmas, Jesus is the Reason for the Season, Keep Christ in CHRISTmas and the X's out of it.)
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To: msmagoo
I can't even deal with the articles about this guy! What a horror. I get the idea, though.

One thing I admire about the Judge is her aim to uplift her whole profession. I'd love to see her on the SCOTUS.

Well, I do pray that God will hand over Terri's case to her.
82 posted on 01/05/2004 9:20:31 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Hey Baird, just let it go!)
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To: floriduh voter
Watching.
83 posted on 01/05/2004 9:20:42 PM PST by sarasmom (Punish France. Ignore Germany. Forgive Russia.)
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the ping!
84 posted on 01/05/2004 9:45:39 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: msmagoo
We are disappointed that Baird will not release the case to Khouzam

Very disappointing, indeed.

85 posted on 01/05/2004 9:55:13 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Baird might not want to be removed, but he may have no choice, given the reports of an employeee betting pool, etc. and his previous comments. Jeb is appealing Baird's refusal to remove himself for bias, and until the appeals court rules...Baird's days on the Schiavo case may be numbered. Also, if Nelly Khouzam's asistant says Judge Khouzam will be handling the Schiavo case, does that mean Judge Khouzam has the case files? No surprise then that certain parties are squawking about this being a 'done deal.' I say, not so fast!

Baird may have made up his mind, but until the appeals court rules on Jeb's appeals for proper venue, Baird's alleged bias, and Jeb's right to take depositions, Schiavo vs. Bush remains undecided and I don't see why Judge Khouzam can't hear new motions, if she has taken over Baird's caseload.

86 posted on 01/05/2004 10:18:09 PM PST by msmagoo (Bring Terri home to her family in 2004)
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To: msmagoo; floriduh voter; sweetliberty; EternalVigilance; tutstar; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
It would indeed be improper for judge Baird to try to 'hold onto' Terri's case after his being reassigned.

Not only did Baird grossly pre-judge this case with his 'Presumtively Unconstitional" remarks before ever seeing the state's arguments, but Baird's own obvious RUSH TO JUDGMENT further emphasises his bias:

The Felos/Baird legal team is the pot calling the kettle black when they imply the law is no good because it was 'hastily passed'.

I think Chief Judge Demers should be flooded with mail that it is an outrage for Baird to try to usurp this case now, from criminal court.

It might not hurt to also remind Judge Demers that his circuit court did not object when the Legislature FIRST intervened and affected Terri's active case in 1999, making euthanasia of any disabled person legal.
So why should the same court NOW object when the Legislature intervenes a SECOND time in 2003, in the exact same case?


Also, in general, from what I've briefly gathered, I feel good about Judge Khouzam taking over Terri's case. It's too bad Greer wasn't also reassigned.


re post 46: FV: What's this about being able to appeal THIS circuit court's rulings to ANY APPEALS COURT?

I thought this circuit could ONLY appealed by the 2nd DCA?
* the same appeals court that ruled for Terri's death at least twice before.
* the same appeals court that illegally IMO, took sides, and MANDATED that Greer favor Michael's team, by rewriting the motion a specific way so that Terri's death could be unappealable.

87 posted on 01/05/2004 11:39:31 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: cpforlife.org
WOW.....
88 posted on 01/06/2004 12:00:37 AM PST by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Mrs Zip
PING
89 posted on 01/06/2004 1:22:12 AM PST by zip
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To: FL_engineer; msmagoo
Baird started his 'hearing' on this matter at 3:15pm on his last day before the Christmas/New Years shutdown of his court.

The little devil was mighty sure of himself, wasn't he? Just goin' through the motions....

By the way, I would think that Bush's team could withdraw the outstanding appeals if Judge Khouzam was assigned the case, and refile them if necessary. They might want to go with her, rather than relocate to the capitol, although msmagoo's post #75 shows that there's a possibility the Judge could be removed.

It's late, am I making sense?

Great post, FL_engineer, but then I find that all your posts are pretty darn good! :o)

90 posted on 01/06/2004 1:44:14 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Hey Baird, just let it go!)
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To: msmagoo
I can and will say "never". If there was an ability to remove this or other judges under these circumstances, our entire legal system would be put in jeopardy. Imagine- try a case and after the case is heard, all the evidence and testimony presented and the case finally submitted to the Court- remove the judge and start over from scratch. This could go on ad nauseum. Cases could, and would, go on forever until, in this case, Bush and the legislature finds a favorable Court and wins. This would send the case up to the appellate level and of course be reversed.

As to "Baird made his opinion public, before hearing both sides of the case..." That issue was put to rest by the decision of the appellate court who found that there was no "foul" and supported their decision with the relevent case law. That decision could be appealed to the Florida Supreme Court, however it isn't likely that it will be accepted.

91 posted on 01/06/2004 5:07:08 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: floriduh voter
Hi, fv -- Terri's law was signed in early afternoon, we were all breathing a sigh of relief, thinking 'help was on its way' -- BUT IT WASN'T!

Your post is very important in reminding us all what Terri & her family have been and are still up against, so here it is again:

Terri has a bodyguard around the clock so that even her parents, etc. don't sneak anything into the room - cameras, recorders, flowers. Terri is kept prisoner in a room.

The only time Terri has been outside in years was when Morton Plant Hospital REFUSED to admit her after she starved for almost 7 days. They were obeying Atty Felos. Terri was outside for quite some time. She was not automatically admitted to get rehydrated.

Through the help of Freepers [and others!] and VIPs in the Beltway, the IV was begun around 9:30 pm on October 21, 2003. (Terri left for the hospital between 5:00 and 6:00 pm and was outside being refused treatment).

Furthermore, Terri's physician AND OTHER AREA PHYSICIANS declined to treat her out of fear of Felos et al -- this acc. St. Pete Times article was out of fear of Felos.

Let us also remember that Terri's family was not given updates on her condition and they were not allowed to visit her. When they were finally given the go-ahead Weds evening and went to the hospital to see her -- they were told she was not there! They were not told where she was, or HOW she was for HOURS. For all they knew, she might have been dead. fv put up some excellent posts detailing this.

IOW, Terri's fight is up against an unbelievable enemy who fights dirty and to the death. These are the things other people need to KNOW and remember.

My prayers for Terri, her family, her supporters, and all involved in her case continue. It is good to be here with you all.

92 posted on 01/06/2004 5:30:54 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: FL_engineer
"...circuit court did not object when the Legislature FIRST intervened and affected Terri's active case in 1999, making euthanasia of any disabled person legal."


93 posted on 01/06/2004 5:46:07 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: FL_engineer
Chief Judge Demers should be flooded with mail

Do you have a link?

94 posted on 01/06/2004 5:52:38 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: floriduh voter
If courthouse employees are betting on this, why can't this be used to move Terri's case out of Pinellas County?
Maybe this needs more exposure.
95 posted on 01/06/2004 5:56:12 AM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Cases are tossed on appeal all the time for improper venue, and Baird didn't do much besides rubber-stamp Greer, anyway, so where's the harm in letting Khouzam take it over? Are you trembling to think what might happen if she does?

Statistically, MS, the HINO, is far more likely to kill or attempt to kill his wife than a stranger. The fact that he has tried to kill at least Terri twice before seeking the court's permission might not play too well in front on Judge Nelly Khouzam, who has little sympathy for llama abusers and even less, I'm sure, for wife-beaters.

Homicide trends in the U.S.

Intimates are defined to include spouses, ex-spouses, boyfriends, and girlfriends

Most victims of intimate homicide are killed by their spouses, although much less so in recent years.


96 posted on 01/06/2004 6:08:55 AM PST by msmagoo (Bring Terri home to her family in 2004)
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To: cyn; FL_engineer
"...circuit court did not object when the Legislature FIRST intervened and affected Terri's active case in 1999, making euthanasia of any disabled person legal."

ZING!! Good catch, FL_engineer!

97 posted on 01/06/2004 6:14:50 AM PST by msmagoo (Bring Terri home to her family in 2004)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
What makes you think that a judge appointed by liberal Lawton Chiles will rule in favor of poor Terri?
98 posted on 01/06/2004 6:17:14 AM PST by Theodore R. (When will they ever learn?)
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To: msmagoo
And mothers are statistically more likely to abuse children- are you advocating that mothers be punished merely upon suspicion of child abuse on the basis of statistics; are you asserting statistics are evidence of a crime??? Get a grip.
99 posted on 01/06/2004 6:25:38 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: msmagoo
---by the way look up venue.
100 posted on 01/06/2004 6:26:31 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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