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Terri Schiavo update: Judge Baird's is OFF case.
Hospice Patients Alliance ^ | 1-5-04 | Ron Panzer

Posted on 01/05/2004 1:42:20 PM PST by cpforlife.org

This is a Hospice Patients Alliance Special Update Jan 5, 2004, sent out periodically to inform the public about news affecting hospice and end-of-life care.

We have just confirmed that ALL of Judge Baird's cases, INCLUDING the suit by Michael Schiavo v Gov Bush related to the Terri's Law, challenging its constitutionality, HAVE been transferred to Judge Nelly Khouzam. This information came directly from Judge Khouzam's assistant. Judge Khouzam is known to be a "by the book" tough, but fair judge.

For a little about Judge Khouzam see:

"Diminutive judge sits tall behind the gavel" Northpinellas St Petersburg Times 12/29/2002 http://www.sptimes.com/2002/12/29/NorthPinellas/Diminutive_judge_sits.shtml

The court is NOT explaining why the judges were suddenly switched, except to say that "judges rotate from time to time." We believe it might have something to do with:

Local PINELLAS COUNTY COURT BAILIFFS AND COURT EMPLOYEES WERE TAKING BETS ON WHETHER TERRI WOULD DIE OR NOT!!!

It was widely reported that Judge Baird made reckless and prejudicial comments in support of Greer and Felos and against Jeb's lawyers way before he had heard the evidence from the Governor's attorneys.

In other words, Judge Baird's comments are the likely reason local Pinellas County employees were doing "inside betting" that the local Pinellas County Judges would back each other's poor and constitutionally illegal decisions against Terri's constitutional rights and thus overrule Jeb Bush and Terri's Law. The 6th Circuit Judges are upset to have anyone tell them they are morally and legally wrong...... whether it's constitutionally illegal or not to murder Terri.

Conducting inside betting on the case is a severe violation of the code of conduct for court employees! Whether that is, or is not, the reason the judges have been switched, the very important change in judge can be extremely significant to what happens to Terri. We are hoping that Judge Khouzam will give the Gov a fair hearing in the case and allow the discovery he sought (which was denied by Baird). If Judge Khouzam allows some discovery as requested by Gov Bush, it could make all the difference!

You heard it hear first!

Ron Panzer President, Hospice Patients Alliance http://www.hospicepatients.org


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: baird; khouzam; schiavo; terrischiavo; terrischindler; terrisfight; terrislaw
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To: pickyourpoison
Good point. How sick of the employees to bet on Terri's life. This should be investigated and the case moved to another county.

Also, Baird should be investigated. He is far too frantic to be involved in this case -- more than likely he has vested interest in it that prevents him from being objective.

101 posted on 01/06/2004 6:31:45 AM PST by Dante3
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To: JustPiper
ddemers@co.pinellas.fl.us ~ Judge David Demers, 6th Judicial Court

strzalkar@flcourts.org ~ Florida Second District Court of Appeal

ag@oag.state.fl.us

jeb.bush@myflorida.com
102 posted on 01/06/2004 6:41:31 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: daylate-dollarshort
"And mothers are statistically more likely to abuse children- are you advocating that mothers be punished merely upon suspicion of child abuse on the basis of statistics; are you asserting statistics are evidence of a crime??? Get a grip."

No, I'm not saying statistics are evidence of a crime. The facts support my belief that Terri's interests are better protected by her family - her own flesh and blood, than by her husband, who is statistically more likely to injure her or cause her death than any other population group.

The circumstances surrounding Terri's mysterious 'collapse' have never been fully explained, the court records from the malpractive trial were sealed and Terri's parents found out only last year that she had a number of broken bones, signs of trauma and according to at least one doctor, her neck injuries were consistent with strangulation, NOT bulemia or a 'heart attack.'

A third of murders of women are committed by intimates. In 1993, 1.1 million women were victims of non-lethal violence by an intimate. (DOJ)

MS was never properly investigated nor were the circumstances of Terri's initial 'collapse'. A sworn affidavit which details allegations of Terri being injected with insulin by MS was ignored by Greer. THAT is why this case is a travesty and Baird and Greer have proven they are totally incompetent to judge it! And it's no surprise that rumors of Judge Khouzam replacing Baird have Felos and HINO quaking in their designer loafers.

103 posted on 01/06/2004 6:54:03 AM PST by msmagoo (Bring Terri home to her family in 2004)
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks for the email addresses!
104 posted on 01/06/2004 6:55:34 AM PST by msmagoo (Bring Terri home to her family in 2004)
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To: msmagoo
From Michael's frenzy to have Terri die that it is reasonable to conclude that he has something to hide. Why else fight the release of medical records, etc.?

As to him remembering years later that she wanted to die -- come on, who can believe that? Even if she did say it, she might not have meant it or changed her mind. There is no living will, thus the word of someone with an agenda is no proof.

In suspicious death, the police routinely investigate the spouse first. That this was no done in Terri's case shows at best sloppy police work.

105 posted on 01/06/2004 7:01:06 AM PST by Dante3
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To: FL_engineer; All
Ron Panzer and Dr. Hammesfahr will be on Highway2Health tomorrow (Wed. Jan 7th) at 10 p.m.

Dr. Hammesfahr evaluated Terri and gave testimony on his conclusions during the 2002 trial. He stated that not only is PVS an incorrect assessment of Terri's condition, but also that she can be greatly improved with new therapies. Dr. Hammesfahr specializes in a number of successful therapies and has offered to treat Terri, citing that she is an excellent candidate for rehabilitation.

Dr. William Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999 and has been called "the first physician to treat patients successfully to restore deficits caused by stroke" by Judge Susan Kirkland of the Florida Department of Health. His patient success rate is an amazing 80%.

Highway 2 Health Home Page - http://www.highway2health.net/
Listen Live Link (10.00pm ET) - http://www.warpradio.com/popTuner.asp?id=14108
Ron Panzer and the Hospice Patients' Alliance - http://www.hospicepatients.org/
Hammesfahr Neurological Institute - http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/

106 posted on 01/06/2004 7:05:33 AM PST by msmagoo (Bring Terri home to her family in 2004)
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To: cpforlife.org; cyn; gww1210
Local PINELLAS COUNTY COURT BAILIFFS AND COURT EMPLOYEES WERE TAKING BETS ON WHETHER TERRI WOULD DIE OR NOT!!!


I say UNBELIEVABLE! The court insiders could see what we've been seeing in relation to the judges' rulings.

want to make sure yall saw this
107 posted on 01/06/2004 7:08:12 AM PST by tutstar (Jesus is the reason for the season! <((--><)
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To: msmagoo
Thanks for the info.
108 posted on 01/06/2004 7:08:54 AM PST by Dante3
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks for the logistics recap. Baird obviously has a direct interest in seeing this case through. It seems to me he doesn't think the newly assigned judge will follow through with his game plan.
109 posted on 01/06/2004 7:13:49 AM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: Dante3
"In suspicious death, the police routinely investigate the spouse first. That this was no done in Terri's case shows at best sloppy police work."

Exactly! And I learned just last week that the two St. Petersburg police officers called to the scene of Terri's collapse noted to route their report to 'homicide.' MS hired an attorney within days - possibly expecting criminal charges to be filed. On Larry King Live, he refused to allow access to Terri and refused to take a lie detector test to prove his credibility.

The list goes on and on...

110 posted on 01/06/2004 7:18:18 AM PST by msmagoo (Where there's smoke there's fire - Indict Michael Schiavo)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Terri has never , TMK, had her own legal representation.
111 posted on 01/06/2004 7:23:29 AM PST by tutstar (Jesus is the reason for the season! <((--><)
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To: floriduh voter
you can listen here http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/o/n/onwardcs.htm

2Ch 20:15 And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle [is] not yours, but God's.

ONWARD, CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

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Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

Refrain

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What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

Refrain

Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.

Refrain

Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.

Refrain
112 posted on 01/06/2004 7:30:27 AM PST by tutstar (Jesus is the reason for the season! <((--><)
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To: tutstar; floriduh voter
"Local PINELLAS COUNTY COURT BAILIFFS AND COURT EMPLOYEES WERE TAKING BETS ON WHETHER TERRI WOULD DIE OR NOT!!! "

Hi, thanks always for the pings! I did see that, and it is indeed unbelievable.

That's when I started thinking about all the other aspects of Terri's situation that are equally unbelievable -- even though they have unfolded before our eyes! Such as the fact that Jeb signing Terri's law did not effect an immediate relief and release for Terri from her death sentence. I'm gonna say that again:

Even Jeb signing Terri's law did not effect an immediate relief and release for Terri from her death sentence!

Lest we forget what we are up against! How appropriate and wonderful your post of "Onward, Christian Soldiers" is, thanks!

113 posted on 01/06/2004 8:00:23 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
Excellent news.
114 posted on 01/06/2004 8:01:41 AM PST by Askel5
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To: msmagoo

Interesting……

“The circumstances surrounding Terri's mysterious 'collapse' have never been fully explained, the court records from the malpractice trial were sealed and Terri's parents found out only last year that she had a number of broken bones, signs of trauma and according to at least one doctor, her neck injuries were consistent with strangulation, NOT bulimia or a 'heart attack.'”

To the contrary.  Terri’s collapse has indeed been determined by a jury,  who heard all relevant testimony and reviewed all of the evidence.  That jury determined that the cause of Terri’s collapse was cardiac arrest precipitated by a severely low potassium level. Further, this same jury found that the low potassium level was caused by bulimia nervosa and that Terri’s doctors should have discovered that bulimia during their treatment and found that their failure to do so was malpractice. They also found that Terri’s practice of bulimia contributed to seventy percent of the cause of her death and the malpractice award was reduced by that percentage.

Dr. Hammesfahr did indeed state that that in his opinion that the “stiffness” of Terri’s neck, as reported in the medical record, were consistent with strangulation.  What he failed to state, though he knew full well, was Terri’s “stiffness” was global and involved her entire body.  The hospital report notes this stiffness and also documents that Terri was suffering violent convulsions and seizures and further, that there was great difficulty controlling them.  Is it any mystery why her neck might be described as “stiff”?

The medical record never states that Terri suffered a ‘heart attack’.  To the contrary it states that she didn’t suffer a ‘heart attack’. It is clearly stated that she suffered a cardiac arrest.  There is a difference.  This notion that Terri “never suffered a heart attack” in order to support allegations of some allegation that she was attacked and/or murdered by her husband is more than disingenuous. It is a red-herring intended to mislead the public.

Was Terri strangled? Was she “worked over real good” resulting numerous broken bones being as has been stated here? The best evidence says no. The paramedics that responded to the Schiavo residence the morning of Terri’s collapse did not see any indication of physical injury.  They did find her in cardiac arrest.

The police officer who also responded to the Schiavo residence, found absolutely no evidence of any disturbance or anything that would indicate a physical altercation or struggle. This experienced officer also went to the hospital and noted that there were no bruises or any other indication that a strangulation or beating had occurred. He makes a notation that there is "no mid-line shift" that would indicate a physical insult to Terri’s brain.

The emergency room staff similarly makes no observation of any physical injury and further, there is no indication that physical injuries are mentioned or observed by the ICU staff.

Additionally, Terri’s brother was on the collapse scene and made no reported observation of any visible injuries. Neither did her parents though they were present at the hospital and observed her.

Miraculous! All this violence, all of these injuries and not a bruise, red mark or any other indicator of injury. Miraculous!!

“MS was never properly investigated nor were the circumstances of Terri's initial 'collapse'. A sworn affidavit which details allegations of Terri being injected with insulin by MS was ignored by Greer.”

The State Attorney, Bernie McCabe, has been attacked viciously on these threads. It has been demanded that he bring charges against Michael Schiavo, convene a grand jury or institute an investigation into the abuses allegedly committed by Schiavo.  He has responded “[b]ring me some evidence.”  A simple and reasonable enough request. However, to date, no one has.

One of the “fractures” alleged was of the right knee.  During Terri’s original hospital stay this right knee became immobile and was examined thoroughly by the hospital staff. A radiological exam was performed and it was determined that there was no fracture and the bone morphology was normal. This is detailed in the hospital record.

Despite the allegation that there was never a proper investigation, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement did look into Terri’s infamous bone scan.  They took the scan and report to more than a few doctors for their opinion. All reported that in their opinion, the accumulation of calcium detected by the scan was a result of osteoporosis.  “Brittle Bone Disease.” Why do you think the doctor who made the report of this scan didn't report his findings to some authority?

Finally, as to the insulin allegation, it was just that, an unsubstantiated allegation. The nurse making these allegations was found to have no credibility after a hearing involving this and other statements. Several other nurses and aides testified and directly refuted her testimony. None of her claims were substantiated by facts or testimony by others who participated in Terri’s care.

I see, all of the judges- (more than 15), all of the treating physicians, nurses, technicians and others- (what, maybe a conservative 75 or more?) and the Appellate Courts. And let's not forget the two independent guardians appointed in this case. Are all part of a conspiracy to protect Michael Schiavo and kill Terri Schiavo?

Right..........

115 posted on 01/06/2004 9:00:41 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: msmagoo
Michael Schiavo appears to be lurking here again, wanting to get responses.
116 posted on 01/06/2004 9:01:11 AM PST by Dante3
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Several other nurses and aides testified and directly refuted her testimony.

You continue to cast shadows from the hell from whence you came. Unless present as the same time as her (they weren't) they couldn't.

117 posted on 01/06/2004 9:08:41 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That's the point- THEY WERE!
118 posted on 01/06/2004 9:11:24 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Legal machinations are one thing; moral right and wrong are another. Because a flummery of "judges" states that Alice did not walk through the looking glass, doesn't mean she in fact didn't.
119 posted on 01/06/2004 9:11:47 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Documentation. That they were together at Terri's side.
120 posted on 01/06/2004 9:12:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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