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[StatesEnemy]

There is no such thing as "moderate islam".

They are like the Borg.

[LiteKeeper]

INTSUM - RELIGION OF PEACE

[Bobby777]

at the Grand Mosque in Mecca, chief cleric Sheikh Abdul Rahman al-Sudais prayed to God to "terminate" the Jews, who he called "the scum of humanity, the rats of the world, prophet killers ... pigs and monkeys."

looks like he's been perusing the Ha'dith ...

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed." The Prophet said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. "

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj-Mabrur. "

[elbucko]

...all other "false" religions, fall by the wayside in the struggle and nations merge into a pan-Islamic government serving Allah alone.

Hmmm. Sounds like fun. (/sarcasm)

The third wave of the Islamic conquest of the World has begun. All things being equal (yes, I know they never are), I'd just as soon deal with commies. At least they didn't want to die and were killed in mass by their own kind. The Muslims, however, are a different enemy than the Soviet Union and International Communism. They believe suicide is their WMD. IMHO, let us fulfill their their wish beyond their wildest nightmares.

[Viking2002]

I find this passage most telling:

The depiction of the prophet by the most revered Muslim sources is horrendous. Nearly every page reveals behavior that is immoral, criminal, and violent. The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don’t portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They reveal that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur’an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur’an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad’s life as it was reported in the Sira, Sunnah and Hadith, we also find that Allah mirrored his prophet’s character. Muhammad’s god condoned immoral and criminal behavior. Allah boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures.

[edger]

Sure, their first choice is to kill Israelis or Americans but they would rather kill each other than not kill anybody at all.

[sauropod]

read later

[RAY]

Ask the Islamic citizens of these United States if they would rather the U.S. be an Islamic "Republic" or continue under its present Constitution? I think you would find that they all, moderate or otherwise, would like to convert the U.S. to an Islamic Republic. To me, this seems to be treason.

[Travis McGee]

Radical Islam is an insane murder cult; "moderate" Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.

[SF South Park Republican]

There is not a single religious tradition, including Buddhism, the most non-violent of them, that has not been used to justify violence and terror. And each religious tradition including Islam has produced individuals of profound humaneness and holiness. (My Islamic candidate is Jalal ad-Din Rumi, the great medieval mystic and poet, who is today the best-selling poet in the USA).

Every religious tradition has had to grow and evolve to the point of renouncing those elements in its tradition that legitimate repressive violence so that people of different religious beliefs can live together in peace. This is a fairly recent development in human history. It took about 200 years for Catholics and Protestants to agree not to massacre each other (Northern Ireland being the last vestige of this conflict). Even then, Catholics were the victims of Know Nothing rage and violence as recently as the mid-19th century.

Islam has its work cut out for it. I don't know whether it will succeed in accomplishing what other religious traditions have, but it is clear that it must do so. And I strongly suspect that the impetus for such ideological change is going to happen as the result of Muslims living and reflecting on their experience living in a religiously pluralistic society like the USA. And living in pluralistic societies is something very recent for Muslims - I just hope that it doesn't take them two hundred years to wake up and smell the pluralist coffee.

I had been feeling very pessimistic about Islam adapting itself to pluralism until I read Christopher Hitchen's piece on Indonesia in the current issue of Vanity Fair. They are not about to adapt Shariah law and trade their uniquely humane Indonesian brand of Islam for Saudi Wahhabism. Furthermore, the radical Islamic experiments in Sudan, Algeria, Iran, and Afghanistan have been a bust, so I hope that we in for an era of Islamic revisionism.

I have no doubt my Muslim friends want me and every other person to be a Muslim, just as my evangelical Christian friends want me to be an evangelical Christian. Eventually it is going to become very clear to them from their own experience in our and other pluralistic societies that theocratic Islamic rule is neither possible nor desirable, and they are going to adjust their ideology to fit reality.

[nuconvert]

Why is this referred to "mainstream" when it obviously is Not?

[nuconvert]

How many people attended this conference?

[lainde]

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