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Mirror ^ | 1-3-04 | Edwards, Smith, Knight

Posted on 01/03/2004 12:02:22 PM PST by doug from upland

Edited on 01/03/2004 4:48:16 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

SHE BOMBER

Jan 3 2004

By Jeff Edwards, Justine Smith And Dawn Knight

A BA flight to Washington was cancelled at the last minute yesterday after an intelligence tip-off that a woman suicide bomber planned to blow up the plane over the US capital.

It was the third day running that a major security scare had hit the afternoon Flight 223 service from Heathrow to Washington.

US security services told Scotland Yard the woman - almost certainly linked to al-Qaeda - intended to hide eight to 12 ounces of plastic explosive in her vagina. She would then go to the toilet during the Boeing 747 flight, remove the material and detonate a blast that would down the aircraft.

A senior Yard source told the Daily Mirror: "Smuggling a bomb on to a plane by this method is one of our worst nightmares.

"If you do not have specific information about the suspect, it would be impossible to carry out an intimate body search of every female passenger."

The source said intelligence information indicated only that an attack was planned for "sometime over the holiday period".

Apparently, a particular BA flight number was at risk. The source added: "Because the intelligence did not identify a passenger by name, it was decided to disrupt the plot by cancelling the flights."

Defence analyst Paul Beaver said: "We have got intelligence, I am told, that there was a plan to take the aircraft and destroy it over Washington or fly it into something."

Yesterday's cancellation of the 3.05pm London-Washington service came less than two hours before take-off time.

BA had already checked in most of the 180 passengers for a plane that can take 490 when full. After advice and deliberation, the firm aborted flight 223 at 1.15pm.

The same flight had been grounded on Thursday after the US intelligence was passed to the Yard.

And on Wednesday, the afternoon service to Washington was escorted in to Dulles airport by F-16 fighter jets. The pilot was ordered to taxi to a spot far from the terminal, where the terrified 247 passengers were detained for three hours without being told why. Security officers questioned travellers, paying particular interest to a woman who appeared Arabic. Nobody was arrested.

Fears of another September 11 attack have heightened in recent weeks and prompted controversial British government plans to put armed air marshals on some flights.

Yesterday BA apologised to passengers who had checked in for the inconvenience, but did not tell them of the specific threat.

A statement said: "Following the latest advice from the UK Government received this afternoon, British Airways has cancelled today's flight BA223 from London Heathrow to Washington due to security reasons.

"It is expected that other flights across the British Airways network will operate as normal today."

Keith Holeman, 47, trying to get home to Alabama via Washington after a holiday in the UK with his wife and children, said: "We've been given no extra information, and we don't know what we're risking."

Defence expert Beaver spoke of a "real threat" as news emerged of the latest flight 223 scare. He said: "This is certainly unusual. The intelligence is very, very precise, which is why this one flight has been cancelled.

"Washington is the definite target. All I know is there is a real and definite threat."

Mr Beaver said al-Qaeda was known to have cells in America and one in Europe, either in London or Paris. The US revealed more details about the drama at Dulles early on New Year's Day as flight 223 passengers were kept on the runway following the fighter escort.

A security official said the decision was based on facts, not just suspicions over passenger names. He said: "We had concerns with individuals on the flight, but threat-reporting information led us to make the decision to have the flight escorted.

The official stressed it was "fact-related" and not just connected to the passenger list the US now receives from airlines flying in.

An Aeromexico flight from Mexico City to Los Angeles, believed numbered 223, had also been cancelled after US authorities refused to allow it to land.

Passengers from Thursday's aborted trip were transferred to alternative flights, but only after rigorous security screening.

Three Air France flights from Paris to Los Angeles were cancelled just before Christmas over fears of an al-Qaeda hijack plot. However one of the suspicious names on the passenger list which triggered alarm turned out to be a Welsh insurance agent.

Another, feared to be a Tunisian terror leader, was in fact a child.

A third was an elderly Chinese woman and the other three were French citizens.

BA was yesterday struggling to find alternative transport for the passengers left stranded in London. William Mallett, 38, his wife, Cathy Lewis and their son Jack, from Ashford, Middlesex, were making their way through passport control as the news came.

Mrs Lewis said: "The staff said they wouldn't be checking us in unless there was a very good chance the flight was going to go."

Mr Mallett, a transport consultant now living with his family in Arlington, Virginia, said: "I have been telling myself that if they are paying attention to this flight in particular, that is a good thing.

"But if there was a terrorist aboard would they shoot us down?"

Some stranded passengers were told BA could not accommodate them all.

A letter from the airline to travellers trying to check in at Heathrow on a later flight said: "Please accept sincere apologies for the disruption to your travel arrangements.

"We have prioritised passengers who were booked on the cancelled BA223 yesterday (Thursday)."

The British Airports Authority said there did not appear to be a problem with flight 223 passengers, but the flight itself.

A spokeswoman said: "It's the scheduled flight, not the passengers, that is causing the security delays." Today's BA flight from Heathrow to Saudi capital Riyadh and the return trip have been scrapped for security reasons.

Home Secretary David Blunkett held talks with US Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge yesterday to discuss ways to minimise disruption on flights to America.

The Home Office said the talks had been "very useful", but no specific plans had emerged during the telephone conversation.

-A CHILEAN was removed from a Madrid-Luton flight on Thursday night after he started talking loudly about the "end of the world".

He was later found with two penknives which had escaped screening detection. The man was taken into custody for questioning. The flight took off at 10.30pm, an hour later than scheduled.

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To: doug from upland
I am pretty sure this was from a test of 10 ozs of C4 in a pressurized cabin of 35,000 feet comparable pressure.

Is there a way/a source from which this was obtained/derived such that we can make sure/confirm this?

41 posted on 01/03/2004 12:24:19 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Aliska
The shoe bomb that Reid had .....was about 8 to 12 ozs.
42 posted on 01/03/2004 12:24:51 PM PST by Dog
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To: doug from upland
From that picture, looks like 4oz would be enough.

What was Richard Reid suppose to have in his shoes - wasn't it something like 10 or 12oz?

43 posted on 01/03/2004 12:25:26 PM PST by HardStarboard (Dump Wesley Clark.....he worries me as much as Hillary!)
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To: _Jim
My source tells me it is 10 oz.
44 posted on 01/03/2004 12:26:09 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Aliska
I imagine if you exploded a ball against the skin near a doorway, or near the center of the aircraft either forward or behind the wing, the tear of the skin in flight would be catastrophic
45 posted on 01/03/2004 12:26:38 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Dog
Remember the New Year's Eve flight that was delayed for hours at the gate? The story was that they focused on that woman, asking where her husband was and such. At the time we speculated that they were focused on her husband and did she fly in his place, etc. But I wonder if they suspected *her* as the potential terrorist, not the husband...I wonder if she was released.
46 posted on 01/03/2004 12:26:51 PM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: HardStarboard
Yes, Reid had appoximately 10 oz. This stuff could be put into a CD case.
47 posted on 01/03/2004 12:26:56 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
It appears that the terrorists have had another "success" snatched away from them
48 posted on 01/03/2004 12:27:08 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Dog
Is that enough to bring down a plane? Probably could or would.
49 posted on 01/03/2004 12:28:00 PM PST by Aliska
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To: doug from upland
One question of course would be how to detonate this - would regular batteries do the trick?
50 posted on 01/03/2004 12:28:16 PM PST by bt_dooftlook
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To: RaceBannon
There are certain seat numbers that the terrorists know will be effective in their evil quest.
51 posted on 01/03/2004 12:28:55 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland; Squantos; tet68
Squantos would know!
52 posted on 01/03/2004 12:29:34 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Aliska
Another element from the New Year's Eve plane, was heavy focus on passengers proving their seating assignment. I remember Reid's seat assignment was a part of the plan for an explosion to do maximum damage...
53 posted on 01/03/2004 12:29:58 PM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: MissAmericanPie
I'm curious to know how much damage 12oz of that type of explosive could do.

12 ounces of real high explosive, like Semtex, would do the job if properly placed. Al Quaida has long been figuring the minimum amount of explosive that could bring down an airplane, including an "experiment" in which a Japanese tourist was blown up in his seat with a bomb made of (probably) acetone and hydrogen peroxide, with a timer assembled from a watch. I think the shoe bomber was packing something like 4-6 ounces per shoe.

54 posted on 01/03/2004 12:29:58 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: cyncooper
I forgot they zeroed in on that woman....
55 posted on 01/03/2004 12:30:34 PM PST by Dog
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To: doug from upland
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't plastic explosive pretty much inert without a firing mechanism of some sort. If so, she could pack as much as she likes up there, but without a trigger she's just got a .... oh never mind.

Anyhow, looking for a trigger would be what we're looking for, right?

56 posted on 01/03/2004 12:30:38 PM PST by numberonepal
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To: Aliska
Yes...
57 posted on 01/03/2004 12:30:55 PM PST by Dog
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To: bt_dooftlook
A lithium watch battery could do it after she removes it from its storage place and she forms the bomb. Something else is needed that I won't discuss.
58 posted on 01/03/2004 12:31:35 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: gitmo
now........CUT THAT OUT!
59 posted on 01/03/2004 12:32:04 PM PST by breakem
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To: cyncooper
I read more of the replies, and understand now that it would probably down the plane.
60 posted on 01/03/2004 12:32:12 PM PST by Aliska
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