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Germany - secret service fears attack against Biblis nuclear power plant
Der Spiegel ^ | 2003/12/31

Posted on 01/01/2004 1:24:48 PM PST by Truth666

Security measures increased - Ansar-e Islam plans attack against one nuclear power plant in Germany Atomkraftwerk Biblis: mögliches Terrorziel?


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Germany
KEYWORDS: ansaralislam; germany; jihadineurope; nuclearplant; targets; threats
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To: steveegg
Thanks! 40 years of communism and 57 years of dictatorship (first brown, then red) have caused much harm to their brains. But they´re just 1/4 of our population, and time will repair a lot.

All the best for 2004,

Michael
21 posted on 01/01/2004 2:30:47 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Very true. They also had only one brief experience with democracy (the ill-fated Weimar Republic, for those following along that don't remember back that far), and before that, a series fo Prussian dictatorships/monarchies.
22 posted on 01/01/2004 2:40:54 PM PST by steveegg (Free Republic - $30/month. Broadband - $45/month. Seeing the DemonRATS out of issues - priceless)
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To: steveegg
Correct. I think the Federal Republic is the best Germany we ever had in history. And I´m damned proud to be a citizen of it, whatever is wrong and ill here, I believe that it´s my task to stay here and do the best I can to improve it - even to persuade our East Germans that this system is the best one. :-)
23 posted on 01/01/2004 2:51:43 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Two world wars still hasn't taught them that appeasement of enemies doesn't work.

Actually, the policy of appeasement worked our quite wonderfully for the Nazis... oh, wait a minute.

24 posted on 01/01/2004 3:00:49 PM PST by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: Michael81Dus
Huh? The Iraq war opposition was solely due to domestic reasons (pacifist voters mainly in East Germany) - and it was the only security issue the Federal Republic of Germany disagreed with the US on since its foundation. It´s just logical that Germany is an aim of terrorism, except Iraq, it stands close to the US (Afghanistan, anti-terror-laws, prosecution of terrorists, naval missions at Somali coast line, guarding US facilities in Germany by German soldiers, having contributed to Israels protection during Iraq war, ...).

The reasons why Germany did not support (or openly tried to undermine) US efforts in Iraq are irrelevant. No one in the US cares "why" just that Germany did what they did.

25 posted on 01/01/2004 3:07:07 PM PST by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: Truth666
But, but, but, how can that BE??????? Germany sided with France!!! They didn't support the Americans; they weren't in the coalition ... aren't they supposed to get a free pass, a get-out-of-terror-free card? What's going on here??? Mary? MARY???
26 posted on 01/01/2004 3:16:30 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: Michael81Dus
"Correct. I think the Federal Republic is the best Germany we ever had in history."

==

That's probably true. Now, just get rid of your socialist leaders.
27 posted on 01/01/2004 3:30:16 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: RoughDobermann
Oh, I think the reasons are relevant, if not for the American people then for the US government, which has always considered the FRG as an ally - because of our other contributions to the war on terrorism. It does matter that we didn´t oppose the Iraq war due to our (non-existing) love for Islamists but because of our opposition against military violance without necessity (please don´t start a discussion about Iraq with me, I´ve always supported a war against Saddam!).
28 posted on 01/01/2004 3:36:27 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
we didn´t oppose the Iraq war due to our (non-existing) love for Islamists but because of our opposition against military violence without necessity (please don´t start a discussion about Iraq with me, I´ve always supported a war against Saddam!)

I cannot accept that the political underpinnings of Germany's opposition to the overthrow of Hussein was principled pacifism. It was a mixture of a long and deep and dirty commercial relationship with Iraq and Libya, general anti-Americanism, particularly in the former Communist East Germany, anti-semitism and a large domestic Muslim population, all disguised as principled pacifism. These factors will continue to create problems for Germany, even in marshaling the will to defend itself.

29 posted on 01/01/2004 4:17:30 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
This is what I received from a fellow Freeper, it´s a mail to someone like you, who claimed that there were other reasons than opportunism in the election fight:

In particular, is it the past militarism of Germany now renounced, or its historic reconciliation with former adversaries of France and Russia, or its embrace of pacifism, or its leader winning an election by making antiwar statements. Is this the first time you have observed candidates taking antiwar anti-Bush positions in seeking political advantage? Is that not what Bush's potential Democrat opponents are doing in our own country? Yes, I have a problem with Schroeder who ran against the war in order to win an election, but it was France and Russia who had veto power and stood against us at the UN, as did other permanent members. But, it was mainly Russia, France, China and Czechoslovakia and other members of the UN Security Council that sold weapons to Saddam, as illustrated by Chart 1. Weapons sales created the bulk of the debt as shown in Chart 2. Landmines were sold by Italian firms. Meanwhile, Germany bans the selling weapons into areas of conflict and prosecutes firms in violation. Germany has extended humanitarian and reconstruction grants to Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq which far outstrip most other countries, even as Germans were granting $50 billion+ to the Russia to build housing in the Soviet Union after its collapse. Germany also contributed $9 billion to the US after the first Gulf War, a fact you never mention, though Germany was importing less than 1% of its oil from Iraq. (Most of it came from Russia.) Further, though it cut the size of its military as a condition for reunification, Germany has had 3,900 troops in Afghanistan and another 4,000 in other peacekeeping assignments, provides and supports US military and medical facilities in Germany, and flew NATO-sponsored AWACs flights over North America during our recent military campaigns when our forces were stretched. Lastly, it is actively attempting to reconcile differences with the US. So, what is it with your jihad against Germany? Is it your bosses at FoxNews? I grew up in an Italian neighborhood and I never heard anyone express the same relentless hatred that you do. And you do it on national TV when most of your guests come on and try to correct your misimpressions. Every time you make your statements fomenting hatred, the Internet buzzes with anti-German slurs. Having spent three years with the US Army in Germany, I can tell you there is a tremendous reservoir of goodwill toward America, its principles and its people.

Forgive me that I only have this one chart.

The Kohl government (from 1982-1998) was strongly pro-US. They would have never dealt with Saddam after 1991. And the Schröder government includes Greens who restricted arms exports (one reason why our armament industry is sold off by US companies...) - they even got outraged when we sold tanks to the Saudis.

FRegards,

Michael

30 posted on 01/01/2004 4:28:14 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
I was speaking about the American people. And we have a tremendous ability to remember.
31 posted on 01/01/2004 5:03:40 PM PST by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: Michael81Dus
someone like you, who claimed that there were other reasons than opportunism in the election fight

Thank you for the chart, but what about Libya?

I think we would agree that the factors I mentioned are most prevalent among residents of former East Germany. They tip the electoral balance for the entire country, though.

32 posted on 01/01/2004 5:05:49 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Michael81Dus
Michael:

To be fair, there is a serious split of opinion in Germany, with a majority of typical Germans (Durchschnittsmenchen) supportive of the US, and probably a majority of the university educated younger bureaucrats and the 'sophistikierter euro-menschen' opposed out of some sort of pan-European vision or general anti-American ennui.

I'm a fan of much of German culture, as I have written before, but your leadership is socialist, often marxist, incompetent and rather virulently anti-American. Until you get rid of them, Germany's relations with the US will probably remain relatively correct, but not warm.

33 posted on 01/01/2004 5:25:56 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: CatoRenasci
Hey, I know many people having studied and graduated from university being very supportive for America - especially those in the CDU. You may be right regarding this majority, but this majority not large. Maybe you have read some of the recent editorials/articles from here, being pro-America. Longjack has translated many...
34 posted on 01/02/2004 1:05:39 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Kennard
Don´t know about Lybia. But I know that Germany is member of the 16/17-countries-alliance putting pressure on Lybia (together with the US, UK, etc). The ship that had its destination to Lybia only had a Germna flag, it started somewhere in Asia, and German authorities called it to an Italian port. The shipowner (http://www.bbc-online.de) was cooperating, apparently they didn´t knew what was in the freight.
35 posted on 01/02/2004 1:08:40 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: tet68; RightOnTheLeftCoast; FairOpinion; Dog
"Germany is no more quiescent area, but can also remark area become."

The more complete quote, as I would translate it after seeing it in many articles, would be more like:

"Germany is no longer a safe zone, or a planning zone, it has become a target zone".

As a background, after Hamburg shut down the Army Hospital, they were criticized by the SPD/Greens for releasing details of intelligence information to the public.

Hamburg got cover from security experts and the opposition, and a peeing contest ensued, in which, Hamburg called the main complainer, Otto Schily, the Secretary of the Interior, incompetent.

Hamburg got names and times from our CIA, and acted on it, big time. Blocks cordoned off, huge rubbish container blocking streets and officers patrolling with cocked machine guns.

Rhein Main Air Base had also been threatened, as were the atomic plants, but were handled more discretely.

Bottom line, AFIAC, is that the Germans are coming face-to-face with the fact that the Islamics will blow them up, too. I don't think Schroeder's government would survive the aftermath of an Islamic-based attack in Germany.

longjack

36 posted on 01/02/2004 5:08:18 AM PST by longjack
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
aluminium-Qaida-terrorists of Osama is shop

ROFL!

37 posted on 01/02/2004 7:39:45 AM PST by Smile-n-Win (Compassion for your enemies is a betrayal of your friends.)
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To: Truth666
I used to live across the river from this plant and have talked to some of the engineers while taking the ferry. Up to now, their biggest fear was some radical Green protester messing things up, causing an accident. They've tried before. Security's laready pretty tight there.

I had no problem living across from it, meanwhile there's grafitti everywhere like "Eure Kinder werden strahlen" and other cheap attempts at inducing panic from ignorance.
38 posted on 01/02/2004 7:44:55 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Michael81Dus
may be right regarding this majority, but this majority not large.

Most people don't realize how tenuous the current majority is and how tired of it the people are. I still think Schroeder and his Green buddies would be out had it not been for the floods in Dresden giving him a chance to look like a saviour just before the election.

Michael, did you like the Steuer Song?

39 posted on 01/02/2004 7:48:54 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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I'm not feeling well today. Please excuse the copious formatting errors and typos. My New Year Eve consisted of walking around for hours in the freezing cold with wet feet trying to find our stolen pug. Good news though, we got him back.
40 posted on 01/02/2004 7:52:56 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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