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Conservative Leader calls Dean Dean Too 'Mentally Unstable' to Be President
Talon News ^ | January 1, 2004 | Jimmy Moore

Posted on 01/01/2004 9:19:32 AM PST by nwrep

WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- The leader of a conservative political group says he thinks Democrat presidential front-runner Howard Dean is too "mentally unstable" to become president and that it is "sad" Republicans want him to be the Democrat nominee.

Religious Freedom Coalition Chairman William J. Murray sent an e-mail to supporters on Wednesday voicing his reservations about the former Vermont governor becoming the Democrat nominee for president that he says are echoed behind closed doors across the country.

"It says something about our nation that a great political party consisting of millions of Americans could possibly pick someone as mentally unstable as Howard Dean to lead their party and carry their banner into a national election," Murray wrote in the e-mail. "I have just made a comment about Dean that has not been printed anywhere, but has been said privately in newsrooms and boardrooms across the nation."

Murray added, "No one, not even Governor Howard Dean, can tell what is going to come from his mouth next."

But Murray said Republicans should not be elated at the prospect of Bush facing Dean in the general election in November.

"Republicans think that Howard Dean as the Democrat front-runner in the primaries is just a big laugh," Murray continued in the e-mail. "I don't think it is funny, I think it is sad."

Murray cited Dean's flip-flop on the issue of Christianity while on the campaign trail as evidence of his blunt description of Dean.

"I was shocked to watch [Dean] at a rally in San Francisco when he growled out loud that he wasn't going to listen to any preachers," Murray recalled in the e-mail. "Then in New Hampshire during an interview on Christmas Day with the Boston Globe, he stated that he would emphasize his Christianity as soon as he began to campaign in the South. What?"

Dissecting Dean's religious background, Murray notes that although his mother was Catholic, his father was Episcopalian and raised him in that faith.

However, when Dean met his wife, Judith Steinberg, she was Jewish. He did not want to convert to Judaism and she did not want to become a Christian. Murray said Dean and his wife contemplated becoming Unitarians as a "compromise."

"Compromise?" Murray questioned. "Unitarians do not believe in a living God."

He added, "Most Unitarians are either agnostics or atheists and they surely do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ."

As for Dean's children, Murray said, "it gets worse."

"The Deans told their children to pick a religion, any religion, and that they would not get involved in their decision one way or the other," Murray lamented.

The two children subsequently chose to become Jewish.

Dean himself parted ways with the Episcopal Church in the 1980's "over a dispute about the route of a public bike path through the church property," Murray wrote.

"Excuse me? Now, I would leave a church if they ordained female deacons or recruited a homosexual music minister...but a bike path?," exclaimed Murray.

Murray said Dean then joined the Congregationalist Church, but now "rarely, if ever, attends."

Citing the recent Boston Globe interview, Murray said Dean was careful not to mention Jesus Christ as being "the Son of God, as a part of the Trinity, or being in any way divine."

"Indeed, he talks of Christ in the past tense, as if He had died in the human sense," Murray contends. "Perhaps Howard Dean would have been better off in a Unitarian Church, but then he would have had trouble winning any elections as a member of a near atheistic institution."

Murray says this indecision about his faith is what makes Dean change his mind so often about what he believes on a daily basis.

"One day [Dean] said he did not know if Usama bin Laden was guilty of 9-11 and that the man should get a fair trial," Murray wrote. "The next day he said Usama deserves the death penalty."

He continued, "[Dean] has stated that the United States should receive 'permission' from the United Nations before waging war and then said that the Iraqi people must determine their own fate."

Murray says this indecision about what Dean believes is evidence of someone who is "not of a single mind," alluding to possible schizophrenia, and that his run for president is both "pathetic and dangerous."

At the end of the e-mail, Murray gives a hypothetical scenario where Dean is the Democrat nominee and behind Bush by 15 percent in the polls in October. Then Bush dies running in a marathon and Vice-President Dick Cheney becomes president and decides to run against Dean.

"The Christian right envisions Cheney's lesbian daughter being married to her female lover in the White House, and they just don't vote," Murray envisions. "The Muslims join with the unions, the gays, the socialists and the loony greens to vote Dean in, and we have a madman in the White House in January '05."

Murray does not believe this is as far-fetched as it might sound and believes it should cause anyone who cares about the values and principles of America to fear the possibility of a President Howard Dean.

"The fact that Howard Dean can raise tens of millions of dollars and attract millions of supporters who really don't care what he says should scare all Americans and the rest of the world as well," Murray concluded.

Reiterating his personal concerns about Dean, Murray says that Bush should want to face the best candidate the Democrats have to offer, not their weakest.

"While Karl Rove may be ecstatic over the Democrats picking Howard Dean as their standard bearer, I am not," Murray stated at the end of his e-mail. "Further, I am sure that President George W. Bush would prefer to run on his merits and his faith against a more worthy opponent than Howard Dean."

The Washington-based Religious Freedom Coalition works on behalf of Christian rights in America and to aid persecuted Christians around the world.

Copyright © 2003 Talon News -- All rights reserved.


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To: eddie willers
Clark is even LESS tempermentally suited for the presidency.

I submit "Help, Mary!" as Exhibit A.

In addition, he has no loyalty to anyone but himself, is also a liar, and has an inflated sense of his intellect and leadership skills.

I also privately think he is another nutso, but we will need to focus on sounding reasonable in our objections.

21 posted on 01/01/2004 9:45:14 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: cajungirl
Flame? You must be confusing me with someone else. I am the epitome of decorum.

I was teasing Marple, who is familiar with my stance on the shortcomings of internet discourse.

What you say is exactly my point. We don't need to be circumspect, but Prudence is the chief conservative virtue according to Edmund Burke.

Some of our exchanges on a conservative site are reasonably passionate -- that's okay if within lawful bounds.

22 posted on 01/01/2004 9:55:24 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: Miss Marple
>>>He is hot-tempered, arrogant, a liar, and willing to ditch any previously held position in order to get the nomination.

I think being hot tempered, arrogant and an outright liar makes Howie Dean emotionally unstable and emotionally unstable individuals aren't fit to be elected POTUS.

23 posted on 01/01/2004 9:59:30 AM PST by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Miss Marple
To the average voter, this writer is saying that a medical doctor, former governor of Vermont, and a presidential candidate is clinically insane.

This is nothing different than what is being said in every back room and party in the country, including in democrat circles. We are all looking at him and shaking our heads in wonder that he got this far. Every party needs one or two people who are not elected (thus if they go to far in what they are saying can be denounced by the party) to be able to throw out what is really being said behind closed doors, basically be the bulldogs of the party.

This does not hurt us in any way, but does let those who are willing to listen understand some real concerns being thrown around.

24 posted on 01/01/2004 10:00:07 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: eddie willers
> Dean will stumble and fail to get the nomination.

... on the first vote. What Billary wants is for the nom
to be up in the air, so that they can control the conv
and dictate who the candidate will be. Billary will do
whatever it takes to prevent Dean from having it sewn up
by convention day.

They might even encourage loose-cannon conservatives to
attack Dean.
25 posted on 01/01/2004 10:00:21 AM PST by Boundless
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To: Miss Marple
His talk and manner speak for themselves. Some of the pictures of him on the campaign trail are so expressive that without a caption, and without comment, the general population will ask themselves the right questions on temperament and character without prompting.
26 posted on 01/01/2004 10:04:13 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: Miss Marple
THis isn't over-the-top rhetoric, it's something that needs to be said. We've played the nice guy too long and it's left the Dems unchecked to allow the likes of Dean, Daschle, and *shudder* Hillary to take control of the party. The first step in getting people to realize it is saying it.
27 posted on 01/01/2004 10:05:11 AM PST by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS! http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: Miss Marple
you know, this over-the-top rhetoric from our side doen't help

Actually, I hink it is very effective when we use their tools against them. This is the type of thing they do all the time, very sucessfully I might add.

I also think it's great that we are turning the label of intolerance right back at them. Soon, they will be known as the intolerant ones. A label that Republican's had to wear for quite some time.

Only problem with this is that it comes from the "religious right". And as a former northeasterner I know that is a very effective phrase to scare most folks into not listening to anything you have to say.

28 posted on 01/01/2004 10:05:17 AM PST by riri
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To: nwrep
"Perhaps Howard Dean would have been better off in a Unitarian Church, but then he would have had trouble winning any elections as a member of a near atheistic institution."

Wasn't Nixon Unitarian?

29 posted on 01/01/2004 10:06:50 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Reagan Man
But we cannot say "insane". That doesn't quite describe it in terms that the public can think about. We all know people like Dean and we don't call them insane. Temperamentally unsuitable is a better term. And for the record, Dean is not insane nor are the rest of them. They all have personality disorders which is not insanity per se.
30 posted on 01/01/2004 10:07:37 AM PST by cajungirl (I adore the Brits!! Tony Blair is my hero!!)
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To: KC Burke
Thanks,,I didn't mean to flame you. And I have found the ideal term for Dean as I have been thinking. He is NOT CENTERED,,that implies he has something wrong, waffles and appeals to the women of the world who know "not centered" means just a smidgen short of nutso.
31 posted on 01/01/2004 10:09:16 AM PST by cajungirl (I adore the Brits!! Tony Blair is my hero!!)
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To: nwrep
Thanks for the PING.
Unfortunately Dems have shown they will support candidates no matter what they say or how mentally unstable they are.

Remember all the absurd and outlandish stories Gore used to make up? He was a proven chronic liar and he almost won the Presidency. Scarey!

32 posted on 01/01/2004 10:10:52 AM PST by Jorge
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To: Lancey Howard
Quaker,,Nixon was.
33 posted on 01/01/2004 10:11:05 AM PST by cajungirl (I adore the Brits!! Tony Blair is my hero!!)
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To: nwrep
Mentally unstable? That's politics. If changing in mid-stream is unstable - then what was Clinton?
34 posted on 01/01/2004 10:11:41 AM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven
If changing in mid-stream is unstable - then what was Clinton?

Impeached.

35 posted on 01/01/2004 10:13:53 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: riri
You know the point where al gore lost the election, when it became obvious he was unhinged? we all knew it, some said it and it did not resonate. It was the moment in the debate when he walked over to Bush in this intimidating strange way and Bush just looked at him. Bush didn't say "you looney tune, get outa my space", he just looked and the look spoke volumes. Dukaikis displayed his nuttiness with the question about Kitty. Kennedy displalyed his empty suit with Roger Mudd's famous interview. Dean will be outed but better not by us untill we have to, and not at this stage.
36 posted on 01/01/2004 10:14:16 AM PST by cajungirl (I adore the Brits!! Tony Blair is my hero!!)
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To: Jorge
You make my point, no matter what we said, he was going to win until he outed himself at the debate. Crazy people have a way of letting one know they are crazy without us having to prove it. And by trying to, we look small.
37 posted on 01/01/2004 10:16:23 AM PST by cajungirl (I adore the Brits!! Tony Blair is my hero!!)
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To: nwrep
"It says something about our nation that a great political party consisting of millions of Americans could possibly pick someone as mentally unstable as Howard Dean to lead their party...

First of all, the Democrat Party is not a great party. Not any longer. Once upon a time, there were elements of greatness--facing down threats, cutting taxes, protecting innocent life--but now? Give me a break. The elevation of Dean is the inevitable evolution of the Democrats.

Secondly, this is nothing new. Look at the individuals nominated by that Party since 1972--George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis, Bill Clinton, and Al Gore. Not a worthy man among 'em--the fact that two--count 'em two were able to slip enough lies past the electorate to hold the reins of power is incredible, yes--but not at all unusual for the Democrats.

Finally, Dean's ascendancy should be greeted as good news by Republicans. Fooled by the facade of Clinton's "success", liberals now apparently believe they can fool most (or a plurality) of the people most of the time. They cannot. They'll fail miserably, and though liberalism won't die completely (we have to remember that lesson from '94) it could be sent into deep hybernation--at least politically.

38 posted on 01/01/2004 10:20:08 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: cajungirl
The author's bring up of cheneys lesbian daughter was over the top in my mind.

That line was where I wondered if the whole article was some kind of 'reverse-psychology' operation. You know, when somebody brings something up that most people have completely forgotten about (like me for example)? And then blows it up into a reason that a man like Cheney gets dumped for Chuckie after a weird chain of events....? Well anyways, I'm not sure that I trust the author.

39 posted on 01/01/2004 10:20:30 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Mr. Mojo
As for Dean's children, Murray said, "it gets worse." "The Deans told their children to pick a religion, any religion, and that they would not get involved in their decision one way or the other," Murray lamented.

The two children subsequently chose to become Jewish.

Jewish? How terrible! </ sarc>

No kidding! What would Mr. Murray have said if they became Moslems?

40 posted on 01/01/2004 10:21:45 AM PST by muleskinner ("Oh, please")
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