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Cardinal: Christians Second-Class in Muslim Lands
Reuters ^ | 12-31-2003 | Tom Heneghan

Posted on 12/31/2003 11:46:46 AM PST by polemikos

PARIS (Reuters) - Too many Islamic countries treat their Christian minorities as second-class citizens and bar them from building churches while Western states let their Muslims build mosques freely, according to a senior Vatican official.

Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, who recently retired as the Vatican's foreign minister, told the French Catholic daily La Croix Wednesday that Christianity and Islam faced "an enormous task" of learning to live together in mutual tolerance.

Tauran was the latest and highest-ranking Catholic official to voice concern about Vatican relations with Muslims, an issue seen as central for whoever succeeds the ailing Pope John Paul.

"There are too many majority Muslim countries where non-Muslims are second-class citizens," said Tauran, the church's top diplomat for 13 years before he had to step aside on being made a cardinal by Pope John Paul in October.

Stressing the need for respect for minorities, he singled out "the extreme case of Saudi Arabia, where freedom of religion is violated absolutely -- no Christian churches and a ban on celebrating Mass, even in a private home."

"Just like Muslims can build their houses of prayer anywhere in the world, the faithful of other religions should be able to do so as well," the French-born cardinal said.

GROWING CONCERN
Leading church figures have increasingly expressed concern about Islam in view of friction between Muslims and Christians in Africa and the Middle East and the difficult integration of Muslim minorities in traditionally Christian Europe.

La Civilta Cattolica, a Jesuit journal published with Vatican approval, said last October Islam had a "warlike face" throughout history and charged Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Pakistan discriminated against Christians.

This was seen as a departure from the more balanced approach the Vatican has taken toward the Muslim world, where it usually stressed both positive and negative aspects of its relations.

In Rome that same month to celebrate Pope John Paul's 25th anniversary as pontiff, several cardinals cited relations with Islam as a key issue for the next papacy, akin to the Communist challenge at the beginning of the Polish pope's reign.

The head of the United States bishops' conference, Bishop Wilton Gregory, spoke of potential religious violence.

Referring to Islam in the West and in Africa, he said: "It's growing in places it didn't exist before and it is growing in places where Christianity is growing. The world cannot afford a violence that is born of religious intolerance."

Saudi Arabia has rejected criticism of its ban on churches, arguing the Vatican would not let mosques be built on its land.

Abid Ullah Jan, a Pakistani writer based in Canada, wrote that the Civilta Cattolica article signaled the Vatican had "joined the ranks of intellectual warriors who are battling Islam with renewed zeal since the fall of the Soviet Union."

Since becoming cardinal, Tauran has taken a lower-profile post as Vatican librarian but has also been appointed to several important Church commissions for foreign affairs, Catholic doctrine, Eastern churches and bishops' appointments.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chrisitan; christianity; islam; muslim; persecution; tolerance; vatican
"Too many" or "all"?
1 posted on 12/31/2003 11:46:47 AM PST by polemikos
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
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2 posted on 12/31/2003 11:50:11 AM PST by SJackson
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To: polemikos
"There are too many majority Muslim countries where non-Muslims are second-class citizens,"

Not to mention the countries where non-muslims are routinely murdered or driven out of the country...Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan and Malaysia come to mind.

The Church had better open it's eyes regarding Islam...they don't care about fairplay. They don't care that we allow mosques to be built here and guarantee religios freedoms to their fanatical adherents. All they care about is creating an Islamist world...period. They treat Christians and other non-Muslims as second class citizens because they don't see us a permanent part of the landscape, and that will never change.

3 posted on 12/31/2003 11:53:29 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan
Not to mention the countries where non-muslims are routinely murdered or driven out of the country...Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan and Malaysia come to mind.

Not to mention forcibly enslaved and of course 'converted'. Let's not forget East Timor, the Philipines and the Balkans. Coming soon to a country or neighborhood near you.

4 posted on 12/31/2003 11:58:42 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: polemikos
How soon till this brave Bishop gets the Brigite Bardot treatment?? You know, ostracized, jailed, discredited...

It's encouraging to see that some of the French see the dangers that threaten to envelop them. But they're a socialist country now, so all opposition or disagreement will be squelched as hate speech. Sound familiar??

5 posted on 12/31/2003 12:01:38 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: polemikos
"Saudi Arabia has rejected criticism of its ban on churches, arguing the Vatican would not let mosques be built on its land."

Is this twisted logic a flippant comment or just more garbage spilling out of a Muslim mouth straight from an evil heart. Is every Saudi citizen a serf living on the Kings land, or are private property rights part of the law of the land. If private property is permitted then why stop a church.
6 posted on 12/31/2003 12:06:01 PM PST by reed_inthe_wind (That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
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To: polemikos
"The world cannot afford a violence that is born of religious intolerance."
Islam at its very core is a totalitarian religion that seeks to dominate the world. If that ever happens, we will see a dark age like none other in history.

The Arab-Israeli conflict is an ongoing example where land fell out of muslim control. It has nothing to do with the "Palestinians", who the Allawite Jordanians, Iraqis, Egyptians, Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Lebanese could give a camel's cr@p about. It is all a proxy war against the Jews.
7 posted on 12/31/2003 12:06:20 PM PST by LA Conservative (evil triumphs when good men do nothing)
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To: polemikos
2nd class in this life for say 75 years or so, 1st class in the next life for all eternity. Hey its not like Christ didn't warn us of this happening.
8 posted on 12/31/2003 12:06:59 PM PST by Bommer
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To: polemikos
bttfl
9 posted on 12/31/2003 12:09:55 PM PST by Cacique
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To: SJackson; All
"Cardinal: Christians Second-Class in Muslim Lands"

Cant we all just get along? Can't some of us just be tolerant and others who hate our guts not be tolerant?

10 posted on 12/31/2003 12:17:04 PM PST by davisfh
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To: polemikos
Too many Islamic countries treat their Christian minorities as second-class citizens

Maybe we should worry about that happening right here before we get too upset about what's going on halfway around the world.

It's 2004. Do you know where your Ten Commandments are?


11 posted on 12/31/2003 12:19:26 PM PST by Nick Danger ( With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: polemikos
"Too many Islamic countries treat their Christian minorities as second-class citizens and bar them from building churches while Western states let their Muslims build mosques freely"

According to Islamic Laws, Christians and Jews are forbidden from building new places of worship, repairing any that exist, conductng any sevices in public, or attempting to convert any Muslim. Further, according to Islamic law, non-Muslims may not appear in public wearing crosses, stars of David, etc. Their testamony is not equivalent to that of a Muslim in a Court of Law, etc. etc.

These rules and regulations also apply to Zoroastrians, Animists, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahais, or you name it.

Islam is a vicious, evil, intolerant cult which seeks world domination through forceful conversion of all non-Muslims.
12 posted on 12/31/2003 12:57:16 PM PST by ZULU
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To: reed_inthe_wind
"Saudi Arabia has rejected criticism of its ban on churches, arguing the Vatican would not let mosques be built on its land."

This is how my teenage daughter used to argue (on different topics, of course). SA has singled out a tiny country (about the size of a college campus), a country whose sole reason for existence is to serve as spiritual head of the Roman Catholic Church, and offers that as a typical example of how other countries treat minority religions. Considerations of space alone would prevent the Vatican from allowing a mosque to be built there.
13 posted on 12/31/2003 12:59:27 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: polemikos
This sounds like the typical Catholic pontifications about the one world church. Hello!!

and Ideologies like living together with mutual tolerance are just that, ideologies. Like saying, I hope oil and water will mix one day.

Jesus said your either with me or against me. He never mentioned tolerance of other beliefs, in fact quite the opposite. He would have said, join me and be forgiven and have eternal life or be prepared to go to Hell.

I would have thought a Catholic cardinal would have known this, me being a regular Joe from the sticks in Oz but obviously that aint so.

God bless

14 posted on 12/31/2003 1:37:58 PM PST by helives (God bless America, God bless Australia, God bless western civilization)
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To: SJackson
The understatement of the year.
15 posted on 12/31/2003 4:36:59 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: polemikos
This was seen as a departure from the more balanced approach the Vatican has taken toward the Muslim world, where it usually stressed both positive and negative aspects of its relations.

Only a news organization like Reuters could editorialize in this way.

It way past time for the Vatican to come out strongly for Christians in dar es salaam, the land of Islam.

Time to make it difficult for Muslims in the West and other places.

16 posted on 12/31/2003 4:45:01 PM PST by happygrl
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To: SJackson
No visas for Muslims !
17 posted on 12/31/2003 4:45:33 PM PST by happygrl
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To: polemikos
Too many Islamic countries treat their Christian minorities as second-class citizens and bar them from building churches while Western states let their Muslims build mosques freely, according to a senior Vatican official.

What ? Did pigs fly ? Is this a Vatican spokesman criticizing the religion of peace ?

18 posted on 12/31/2003 4:46:21 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
Gee...Do you think somebody woke up and is smelling the coffee?
19 posted on 12/31/2003 10:33:43 PM PST by Dallas59
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