Patriot Act II,

[Marobe]

I've been searching for articles related to Patriot Act II which was quietly signed into law while everyone was watching Sadaham's headlice checkup. Are there any recently posted, ie since that memorable day ? I have done a search and the most recent was september-ish. Thanks.

[farmfriend]

Yes there were some posted. I for one am ashamed that this is getting a pass.

[KEVLAR]

I searched and found nothing as well.

[Tim Osman]

Yes, quite a lengthy thread.

WITH A WHISPER, NOT A BANG (Patriot Act II signed by President on December 13, 2003)

There IS some PATRIOT Act opposition on this site, but not as much as probably should be. The responses are usually like:

• How have YOU been negatively effected? (CFR won't effect me much, but I still recognize it is wrong!)
• They've assured us it will never be used against nonterrorist civilians! (Oh, Hillary wouldn't use it on us?)
• (when it already IS used against citizens, by this administration) So what, they were criminals anyway. What do YOU care?
• (OR, hands on ears) lalalala I can't hear you!
• We haven't been attacked again yet, so it must be working as planned! (Really? Then I have a tiger-repelling paperclip to sell you! It works, I've never been attacked by tigers!)
• What are you, some kind of liberal troll? (Because criticizing Bush, Ashcroft, or administration officials = "liberal", of course!
• Dammit, this is a time of WAR! (A "war on terror", that was never declared, with no end in sight! Maybe it will last as long as the "war on drugs".)

[AdamSelene235]

Neither the ACLU nor the Electronic Frontier Foundation has said anything about Patriot II. Can you provide a link to the bill?

[Tim Osman]

They have both written extensively about it...

The EFF

ACLU.

search under "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003"

[AdamSelene235]

Both of those articles are nearly a year old. They do not specifically address the content of the bill that was passed.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

There was a really long thread where the goobermint shills were saying how wonderfully free we had all just become and others failed to comprehend as usual, the one issue malcontnents.

There were also a large number of the PomPom squad cheering about how safe they had become now that the government would protect them, but as usual, the reckless pro-liberty fools couldn't understand the simplest of ideas.

[Tim Osman]

I'm sure they took all the bad stuff out. Just like they did with PATRIOT Act Vol. 1!

[mrsmith]

Previous threads here here here here here

It is an expansion of the term "financial institution" for use of National Security Letters for counterintelligence, foreign intelligence and Secret Service protective purposes .

But it's more fun to pretend it's whatever you want to.

[AdamSelene235]

Oh, I'm sure the Congress Critters are screwing us again, but I'd like to keep the screwing specifics straight.

[Marobe]

Thanks Tim and to all who reponded ....
Tim, your dot points were excellent ! They are exactly what I've encountered ....
"How have YOU been negatively effected? (CFR)"
Me: Aagh !!!!

"They've assured us it will never be used against nonterrorist civilians! (Oh, Hillary wouldn't use it on us?)"
Me: Exactly! Friggin Hitlery !

"We haven't been attacked again yet, so it must be working as planned!"
Me: Hm-mm ... would I be ungrateful if I asked about the AMERICAN family kidnapped at gun point on AMerican soil by Mexicans and taken into Mexicao and held ? ? Probably .

"(What are you, some kind of liberal troll? (Because criticizing Bush, Ashcroft, or administration officials = "liberal", of course! "
Me: This is the best ! Call Rush or Hannity and if you express anything that questions the administrations attacks on the Constitution, 'you must be a Liberal !'

"Dammit, this is a time of WAR! (A "war on terror", that was never declared, with no end in sight! Maybe it will last as long as the "war on drugs".) "
Me: Yup, the 'war on drugs'. Now that makes me feel safe !

Thanks again Tim and all !

[LandofLincoln]

You have not heard much about the PATRIOT II act because the lemmings and the sheeple have fallen into line. Keep in mind that the PATRIOT II act was signed by President Bush. That is another reason that all is sooooo quiet. If it had been signed by a democrat, the transfer rate on JimRob's bandwidth would have melted his computer.

[Marobe]

Forgot one thing .... the Rico lawsuit against Bush, Ashcroft, and Thompson ... Now here is a great opportunity for plea barganing ..... Mr Bush, nobody in their right mind wants a Clinton in the White House. Undo all the bogus, illegal, anti-Constitutional legislation, Executive Orders inclusive .... and we'll let you do community service .....
Here's a link to the very unpublicised lawsuit...
Http:www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=32&mide=&order=0&thold=0

[Marobe]

Howdy L-
Not since Clinton signed his EO1073UN, ( maybe 1037...whatever, it made US citizens subservient to UN global laws and gave up much US territory as Biospheres ) ...
have I seen an assault on the Bill of Rights ! This is NOT why I voted for GW or what I expected from a Republican administration, but its why I got his Father's CFR baggage along with my vote. Blanket amanesty for illegals by the end of this month? What is wrong with this picture ?

[LandofLincoln]

This is NOT why I voted for GW or what I expected from a Republican administration, but its why I got his Father's CFR baggage along with my vote.

I am sorry that you thought he was his "own man", when in fact he was his "old man". We have NOT had an honest politician in a long time. You might have to go back to Thomas Jefferson to really find one. I worry constantly about what our elected officials are doing to this country ... they have done more damage to us since 1913 than ALL of our foriegn enemies have done, combined.

The old saying ... "I am my own worst enemy" HAD to be in reference to the American voter. What was the most free people in written history is going to ruin it with their own "electoral ignorance"

[Tim Osman]

Tim, your dot points were excellent ! They are exactly what I've encountered ....

Thank you, Marobe. If you like that, check this post out. It's a list of all the reasons I've seen on this site to vote for Bush, and justifications for everything that has happened... I think you will recognize them ALL. I think I'm just a compulsive list maker.

But MrSmith was right - this latest thing is just (if I read it correctly) just a small PART of PATRIOT II. Apparently they thought there would be too much opposition to just passing PATRIOT II all at once, so they've broken it up into little segments and are sticking those segments into other bills that they are sure will pass...

[Marobe]

ROTFLMAO !
"(It's okay, I wasn't using those constitutional rights anyway.)"
Glad to see you and a Marine addressed the whinning of Defender2 ...jeese ...a great example of what republicans that want REAL REPUBLICANS in office have to contend with some days !
Keep your powder dry !

[Marobe]

Hi Tim,
Re: Your PING list .... Sounds good to me. Had trouble responding to your addy ... got errors ... please confirm when you get this and we'll coordinate the list.
Thanks.
Marobe

[realpatriot71]

The (UN)Patriot Act II hasn't gererated much attention form the mainstream media at all, nor from so called "conservatives". The bill was passed by congress with a voice vote (hmmmmm?) around Thanksgiving time, and the bill was coincidentaly signed into law on a Saturday (hmmmm?), with the 13th being one of the biggest news stories of the year. Anyone of those by themselves could be easily explained away, but people need to put the pieces together . . . this bill was purposely prepared, passed by congress, and signed by the president in such a manner as to not draw the attention of Americans to the passage of the law. It's amazing how asleep the American populace is . . .

This law allows for such actions as the opening of any and all financial recored from any "financial institutions" (now REdefined as casinos, post offices, and stockbrokers, as well as tradional money lenders) without all those messy supenas. And here's the biggest kicker . . . they can look at ANYONE'S records for any reason. Suspician of terror is no longer a prerequisit. Oh, and there's more, but you should look it up and find it yourself.

This isn't my country anymore. I just live here.