Posted on 12/30/2003 1:07:13 PM PST by CIBvet
Hey, thanks for doing such a good job of posting all those hot-links. Are you aware of the book Winn published a couple years after 9/11 entitled Tea With Terrorists?
It's fictional, but based upon research he did after interviewing actual Hamas, al-Qaeda & Islamist Jihad?
Just ordered a copy today.
The last name is Caner. I had the priveledge of hearing Emir Caner address a college audience this year. A humble and godly man, who still grieved for his late father.
...her husband with her... literally her husband who stood by.
Adam was there the whole time. He fully knew what was happening. It wasn't a simple disobedience, it was full on rebellion to God's world order.
He knew the command of God-- he heard it from Him directly, whereas Eve heard it from Adam. Coincidentally, they also added to God's Word when they stated that they were not to touch the tree. God never said that. The end of Revelation lays out some pretty harsh punishment if anyone adds to or takes from His Word.
Before revealing what the Qur’an and Hadith have to say about Muhammad and Islam, I’d like to clear up a few inevitable misconceptions. First, on Muslims—I love you in spite of your beliefs and deeds. I would like nothing more than to free you from Islam. I agree with Renan, the famed scholar, who, after dedicating himself to understanding Islamic scripture, wrote: “Muslims were the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain others in the practice of this religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him.”
Second, on Christians, you—we—are responsible for the awful mess the world is in. We have turned a personal relationship with our Creator into an emasculated religion, confused and aimless. In the name of that religion, we have perpetrated inhumanities. Today, for fear of appearing hateful we are apparently willing to let a billion people live in virtual slavery, perishing in ignorance and poverty. Tolerance of evil is not a Christian virtue. We are called to be discerning.
Third, on Jews—I love you in spite of yourselves. Fourteen centuries ago your forefathers sold Bible stories to Muhammad and then mocked him when he goofed them up. By doing so you manufactured your own enemy. Now, you are a divided people, unsure whether to appease or fight the terror you helped inspire. As the world’s most lettered people, I fear that you understand less than you know. I pray that you come to trust your God before it is too late.
Fourth, on secular humanists, liberals, and agnostics—you are guilty of the very things you denounce in others. History is as condemning of man separating himself from God as it is of man-made religions establishing themselves as intermediaries to God. The last hundred years have been especially indicting; atheistic doctrines have annihilated more people than all religions combined. Truth is not relative. Yet in today’s media, secular humanists judiciously edit under the guise of enlightenment. While irritating, this practice is particularly lethal as it relates to Islam. The errant recasting of the religion as peaceful, the reshaping of jihad into a spiritual struggle, the impression you convey that Islam is tolerant and that the terrorists have corrupted their religion, is wrong. Thousands have died in the wake of your illusions.
Fifth, on Islam itself—without deceit and sword, Islam would have been stillborn. An infinitesimal fraction of the one billion people subservient to Islam today actually chose their fate. In Mecca, fourteen hundred years ago, after a decade of preaching, as few as fifty men chose to follow Muhammad. But that all changed in Medina. There, according to the Qur’an and Hadith, Muhammad became a political tyrant, a terrorist, and a thief. His willingness to lead seventy-five armed raids against defenseless civilians swelled his ranks as swiftly as the spoils of “war” filled his pockets.
Deserves another bump.
So do fathers..they have authority coming out of their ears. He didn't *have* to let anyone in if He didn't want..that's ridiculous. And where were those celestial angels that cheered at Adam's creation? Sitting on their collective a$$es while a murderer just decides to stroll on in and takes over? They knew his record..a murderer from the beginning. So what does that say about *them*? Who is to say this won't happen again post-Revelation?
Adam was the agent, not the angels, and not God. Adam was to protect her. Adam let Satan deceive her. Adam allowed Satan to go forward. He didn't challenge him, or contradict him. He didn't love his wife. He didn't protect her.
Look, God can't do anything here unless He has a human to agree with Him to allow it. That's the way He set it up, and such is the nature of His authority. He gave it completely to man, and He won't go back on His Word.
I used to ask, "why didn't He just make another man after Adam rebelled?" Here's the answer: Genesis 2:1 ¶Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
God completed His creation. That was it. There was no more. His authority here was now subject totally to the will of man. He can communicate with us, and He certainly can persuade us, but He cannot force us by His power. Neither can Satan, BTW. We are the final spiritual authority here.
Again, free will is the answer to your logic. You are assuming an extreme Calvinist approach, but it's incorrect. Sadly, much of the church believes this crap too. Check this link for more insight-- it's pretty revealing.
http://www.pfrs.org/calvinism/calvin09.html
Bottom line is this. You are projecting a victim mentality on humanity. We aren't innocent in this. That's why we can all share responsibility in the death of Jesus.
That's why the ADL is so upset with Mel Gibson, they feel the guilt His death, except they don't realize it's the rest of humanity too. That's why it's 'intolerant' or 'hateful' to mention Jesus anymore. By extension, the Gospel accuses man of murdering God. (If you want to find the mystical root, Adam killed Jesus in the garden. We were all in Adam at the time.) That's what makes the Gospel so elementally strong. At the same time, it reveals our devastation and our redemption, it condemns us and offers us greatness. Blaming God is a deception. He's the One who gave us a way out.
So its all the eeeeevil male's fault eh? Isn't that stretching it a bit? Genesis never said that he didn't love her. The way I interpreted it, I saw that Satan went to her bc he knew he couldn't "get" to Adam the way he could Eve. Emotion has always been the achilles heel of women. Same then, same now.
"God can't do anything here unless He has a human to agree with Him to allow it."
Well that philosophy certainly didn't work with Christ, whom at one point asked NOT to go the cross (the prayer in the garden..take this cup, etc etc).
Im not a Calvinist..I just think that someone who hails himself as a "father" should take the responsibilities of a father..and accountability. God made a mistake..he let the drivel in knowing full well what would happen..and didn't send in any advance warning whatsoever so that he could prepare himself. That is not only irresponsible, its appallingly lax and unloving. If you knew that 9/11 was going to occur in 2000, would you not bear some responsibilty if you didn't alert the authorities? Satan had already been drummed out of Heaven..so where is Gabriel? Or Michael? Or any of the other angels with all of these "special" powers?
Sipping tea in the celestial gazebo?
Puh-lease.
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