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To: ovrtaxt
"He had to let him in. First of all, Adam had the authority. ALL the authority. God gave it to him, so it wasn't like they were victims or something. They had complete dominion over Satan."

So do fathers..they have authority coming out of their ears. He didn't *have* to let anyone in if He didn't want..that's ridiculous. And where were those celestial angels that cheered at Adam's creation? Sitting on their collective a$$es while a murderer just decides to stroll on in and takes over? They knew his record..a murderer from the beginning. So what does that say about *them*? Who is to say this won't happen again post-Revelation?

49 posted on 01/04/2004 8:30:39 PM PST by Windsong
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To: Windsong
On the other hand, maybe God shouldnt have let the ba$tard in in thr FIRST place. Would you let a known pedophile into your living room to play with your little girl?

Adam was the agent, not the angels, and not God. Adam was to protect her. Adam let Satan deceive her. Adam allowed Satan to go forward. He didn't challenge him, or contradict him. He didn't love his wife. He didn't protect her.

Look, God can't do anything here unless He has a human to agree with Him to allow it. That's the way He set it up, and such is the nature of His authority. He gave it completely to man, and He won't go back on His Word.

I used to ask, "why didn't He just make another man after Adam rebelled?" Here's the answer: Genesis 2:1  ¶Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2  And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

God completed His creation. That was it. There was no more. His authority here was now subject totally to the will of man. He can communicate with us, and He certainly can persuade us, but He cannot force us by His power. Neither can Satan, BTW. We are the final spiritual authority here.

Again, free will is the answer to your logic. You are assuming an extreme Calvinist approach, but it's incorrect. Sadly, much of the church believes this crap too. Check this link for more insight-- it's pretty revealing.

http://www.pfrs.org/calvinism/calvin09.html

Bottom line is this. You are projecting a victim mentality on humanity. We aren't innocent in this. That's why we can all share responsibility in the death of Jesus.

That's why the ADL is so upset with Mel Gibson, they feel the guilt His death, except they don't realize it's the rest of humanity too. That's why it's 'intolerant' or 'hateful' to mention Jesus anymore. By extension, the Gospel accuses man of murdering God. (If you want to find the mystical root, Adam killed Jesus in the garden. We were all in Adam at the time.) That's what makes the Gospel so elementally strong. At the same time, it reveals our devastation and our redemption, it condemns us and offers us greatness. Blaming God is a deception. He's the One who gave us a way out.

50 posted on 01/05/2004 4:20:02 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You got an extra Communist Manifesto? I'm like totally out of toilet paper.)
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