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Prophet Of Doom
Interview with the author on Ernie Brown - America At Night 12/26/03 ^
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| Craig Winn
Posted on 12/30/2003 1:07:13 PM PST by CIBvet
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To: CIBvet
Islam has played the Western Nations as "fools" who do not want to understand what Islam really is. Islam is every bit as political as it is religious. Islam presents a danger to every nation that allows it to thrive within it's borders, for Islam wants to be the overcomer of all people and nations, and they are not happy just attending some mosque. All nations allowing this evil into their countries, deserve the punishment that will go with it.
Sorry.
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posted on
12/30/2003 2:09:28 PM PST
by
tessalu
To: DannyTN
Besides Eve, there are other woman in the bible that have decieved there man also! This should be easily to recognize the big problem here! Just read about Sarah, Abraham's wife. Or even Deliah who caused Sampson's down fall. There are others in the bible!
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posted on
12/30/2003 2:16:03 PM PST
by
ibtheman
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posted on
12/30/2003 2:18:52 PM PST
by
dennisw
To: CIBvet
I tend to believe Islam is not a religion of peace but I find a problem with this quote by the author on President Bush. It says a lot.
"Why would you follow GWB? His justifications for waging war on Afghanistan and Iraq were grossly deceptive. GWB's presentation of Islam is ignorant. Why do you show devotion to this man? He is not a prophet. He is not even enlightened. He is a former drug user, alcoholic, and member of what many consider to be Satanic organizations." (Craig)
http://prophetofdoom.net/response_nl.html
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posted on
12/30/2003 2:54:16 PM PST
by
mmsturm
(Be Gentle 1st Post)
To: ibtheman; brbethke
"Besides Eve, there are other woman ...This should be easily to recognize the big problem here!"-ibtheman"And men have been done in by chasing tail ever since."-brbethke
Good Point. Actually...
- The First Man - Adam
- The Strongest Man - Sampson
- The Wisest Man - Soloman
...were all done in by women. What chance do we have?
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posted on
12/30/2003 3:07:55 PM PST
by
DannyTN
To: dennisw
What an incredible reference.
Thanks for posting.
To: DannyTN
Wait, don't forget my favorite....Jael. Now She was a woman!
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posted on
12/30/2003 3:51:58 PM PST
by
Lakeside
To: DannyTN
How hard was that????
hard enough that both the world's strongest, most intelligent, sinless and physically and mentally capable man an woman were unable to resist.
standing as the BEST mankind had to offer after spending who KNOWS how much time in God's direct company, (at least for the length of time it took for ADAM to name EVERY living creature, species, subspecies of flora and fauna... over a million bugs to start with), our most developed male and female were BOTH unable to resist the temptation.
Perhaps the temptation was a bit more persuasive than the scriptures reveal at a surface reading. Regardless, you and every other living human being, save one, would have fallen, given that same temptation and whatever it fully entailed.
Perhaps the fullness of that temptation was beyond the scope of fallen men and women to understand, so God had Moses boil the description of it down to the lowest and simplest common denominator we could grasp and still be true.
Perhaps GOD had no choice but to allow Satan admittance to the persons of Adam and Eve. The bible may be true, but it is clearly NOT exhaustive in it's expostion of the intricacies of every aspect of creation, temptation and redemption.
Lots of theories by theologians regarding the fall.
We only know that NONE of us could have resisted it either...
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posted on
12/30/2003 3:55:19 PM PST
by
Robert_Paulson2
(robert... the rino... LWMPTBHFTOSTA....)
To: DannyTN
the following is from an excellent website: SalvationHistory.com (It is Catholic)
Let's back up a few paces. Let's look at our characters. First, who's this "serpent"?
We're all used to the storybook Bible image of the long, thin snake slithering around the apple tree. But we might have to change our visual image of this scene.
The Hebrew word used to describe the "serpent," nahash, implies something much more deadly.
Throughout the Old Testament nahash is used to refer to powerful, even gigantic, evil creatures. Isaiah calls the nahash a sea dragon, the great Leviathan (see Isaiah 27:1). Job also uses nahash to depict terrible sea monsters (see Job 26:13).
This is clearly the image the Book of Revelation has in mind when it describes "a huge red dragon" in the heavens, "the huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world" (see Revelation 12:3,9).
The Church, of course, has always interpreted the serpent in Genesis 3 as Satan, the Devil in slithering form (see Catechism, nos. 391-395). So we know, as readers, something that Adam probably didn't know - that this encounter with the serpent was a test against evil, a battle for the soul of mankind.
But we need to see what Adam saw. Once we appreciate that the serpent was a lot more than a little garden-variety snake, we begin to understand why Adam failed in his duties to "guard" his wife and Eden (see Genesis 2:15).
c. Scared Unto Death?
To put it bluntly: Adam was scared to death, scared of dying. He saw the serpent as a threat to his life.
We know that Adam understood what death was. How do we know that? Because God warned him that he if he ate the fruit he would die (see Genesis 2:17). If Adam didn't know what death was, God's warning wouldn't have made any sense.
Adam was scared that if he didn't do what the serpent wanted he would be made to suffer and die.
This story, this understanding of Adam's failure, may be behind a passage we find in the Letter to the Hebrews. It says the Devil has "the power of death" and says also that "through fear of death," the human race had been held "subject to slavery" (see Hebrews 2:14-15).
That doesn't mean Adam didn't have any moral choice or responsibility in the matter.
He chose to save his life, but wound up losing it. He feared dying more than he feared disobeying the Father who loved him and gave him paradise. And in this he plunged the whole human race into slavery.
d. Left Holding the Fruit
Hold on, a minute. Why are we talking about Adam? Why is it his fault? Isn't the whole story about Eve?
After all, the serpent first addresses "the woman." In fact, the phrase, "the woman" is used four times in six verses and the man doesn't come into play until the very end, when it's mentioned that "her husband" was also "with her."
Clearly, it would seem, Genesis wants us to know that it's the woman's fault: She did all the work, negotiating with the snake, weighing the pros and cons, and finally taking the fruit. The man just ate the fruit the woman gave to him.
But is that really the point? Why does St. Paul and the tradition of Church teaching after him, understand this episode as depicting the sin of Adam (see Romans 5:12-14; 1 Corinthians 15:22, 45)?
First, we need to stress what the story only tells us at the end - that Adam was with her all along (see Genesis 3:6).
In fact, in the Hebrew, every time the serpent says the word "you" he's speaking in a tense that we don't have in English - something like "second-person-plural." He's saying, in effect, "you guys" or "y'all."
So Adam was on the scene the whole time. Why didn't he speak up, why didn't he take up the serpent's challenge?
That seems to be the point. In his fear for his own skin, Adam left his wife hanging, left her to fend for herself. He was "her husband," the text emphasizes. Husbands are supposed to stand up for their wives - even lay down their lives for them. That's what marital love is (see Ephesians 5:25).
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posted on
12/30/2003 3:56:17 PM PST
by
reed_inthe_wind
(That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
To: reed_inthe_wind
"Adam was scared to death, scared of dying. He saw the serpent as a threat to his life. "I don't buy it. The bible records Eve's reasoning and being scared for her life was not there. It records the following...
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
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posted on
12/30/2003 4:07:05 PM PST
by
DannyTN
To: Robert_Paulson2
"hard enough that both the world's strongest, most intelligent, sinless and physically and mentally capable man an woman were unable to resist. "No. They were able to resist. They chose not to. Had they been unable, there could have been no condemnation. Further we are assured by the Lord that He will not allow us to be tempted beyond what we are able.
So "unable" is not an excuse.
Had we been born in the garden and not inherited a rebelious fallen nature, we might have avoided sin altogether. We weren't so we will not ever know.
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posted on
12/30/2003 4:10:38 PM PST
by
DannyTN
To: DannyTN
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
The above scripture explains Eve. We know she is being deceived and the fruit will not make her wise. The previous material from SalvationHistory.com explains Adam.
Many times in my own life, I see that a friend is making a bargain with sin. The sinner thinks he is choosing a good. But this deception is known as an apparent good and not a real good. In time the sinner will see the truth, but he will also suffer the consequence. If I intervene for the friend - because of my love for him - I may save him from the consequences of his sin.
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posted on
12/30/2003 4:23:12 PM PST
by
reed_inthe_wind
(That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
To: reed_inthe_wind
I still don't buy it.
I see no scripture that says Adam was scared. That Hebrews reference is talking about fear of death resulting in bondage to the law and contrasting that to the freedom enjoyed through Christ.
1 Timothy says Adam was not deceived. I don't think scripture ever says why Adam chose to eat. Anything not in scripture is speculation.
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posted on
12/30/2003 4:38:15 PM PST
by
DannyTN
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To: RussianConservative
What took Americans so long to figure it out?
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posted on
12/30/2003 4:53:13 PM PST
by
Destro
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To: DannyTN
"Timothy says Adam was not deceived."
I agree Adam was not deceived - that is what I have been saying.
"I don't think scripture ever says why Adam chose to eat. Anything not in scripture is speculation."
You stated your position -go forth and be true to it.
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posted on
12/30/2003 5:01:03 PM PST
by
reed_inthe_wind
(That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
To: Windsong
On the other hand, maybe God shouldnt have let the ba$tard in in thr FIRST place.
It's called free will. But then you knew that.
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posted on
12/30/2003 5:49:29 PM PST
by
Valin
(We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
To: CIBvet
BTTT
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posted on
12/30/2003 6:06:59 PM PST
by
thatdewd
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posted on
12/30/2003 9:12:46 PM PST
by
Salem
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To: dennisw
Thanks! and bttt
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posted on
12/30/2003 9:21:30 PM PST
by
kimmie7
(I need more time, more coffee, and more bandwidth!)
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