The threat at home (radical Islamists in America)

Washington Times ^ | 12/30/03 | Frank J. Gaffney

[boris]

Don't look! Don't look!! Severe cognitive dissonance warning!

[discostu]

No cognitive disonance at all. You're still wrong on every other points, points you have apparently given up on knowing yourself that you're full of it. See I can actually admit when I screw up, you on the other hand maintina your gormless defense system.

So tell me Boris:
How would revoking all the visas have any different effect that New York's gun ban?
How would you round up the millions of illegal aliens mixed in with 292 million legal citizens?
How would you improve on Delta?
How would you get nuclear power plants built fast enough to keep the terrorists from having enough funds to perform an act of terror on us tomorrow night (one of your predicted dates for 9/11 redux)?
How would you seal one of the longest borders in the world even knowing that the 38th parallel is still penetrable inspite of all the force and technology we have parked there?

When you're wrong you're wrong, and you Boris are a very wrong person.

[firebrand]

Mohammed had to exist, when you think about it. If it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else to call Christians and Jews infidels.

And now that America is the only superpower--by far!--it is time for them to make their big push to squash us. We need to destroy their communication networks so they can't organize. At least we can do that here.

[boris]

"No cognitive disonance at all. You're still wrong on every other points, points you have apparently given up on knowing yourself that you're full of it. See I can actually admit when I screw up, you on the other hand maintina your gormless defense system."

I no speaka de italian.

I decided that continuing to argue with an idiot was a waste of time; however since you've moved to this thread, I will respond (in English, your second language).

"So tell me Boris:

How would revoking all the visas have any different effect that New York's gun ban?"

Some of those citizens of terrorist nations would leave voluntarily. The rest would be on notice, and could be hunted and deported.

"How would you round up the millions of illegal aliens mixed in with 292 million legal citizens?"

For starters, anyone with a matricula counselar would be easy pickings. Owning one of these documents says "I AM AN ILLEGAL ALIEN WHO HAS BROKEN U.S. LAW."

Here in Lost Angeles, one can drive around anywhere and find groups of "day laborers" loitering on street corners, ostensibly waiting to be offered work. They are all illegal aliens. In some neighborhoods, every major street corner is occupied by six to twenty, every day. Just offhand, perhaps the INS might want to inquire about these individuals.

As for illegals who are not Mexicans, assuming they are islamic radicals who entered on the (now invalid) visas, recall that there are records of these individuals. Now we are fingerprinting them (nice change) and a little detective work might be advisable. I am not claiming that they will all be taken rapidly or easily. But, ye gods, why do we not START?

"How would you improve on Delta?"

Subcontract it to the Mossad. Or get the Mossad to train an entirely civilian force of assassins, without any restrictions, except that they must target known members of terrorist organizations, anywhere and everywhere in the world. Continually and constantly. No questions. Like I said--people dying all over the world, no warning, at night, in their beds. You might wish to review how the Israelis took out the leaders of the Olympic massacre or Arafat's chief of security for instructive examples--or the strange death of Dr. Bull, who was helping Saddam to build a 'super gun' targeted on Tel Aviv.

"How would you get nuclear power plants built fast enough to keep the terrorists from having enough funds to perform an act of terror on us tomorrow night (one of your predicted dates for 9/11 redux)?"

Won't you look silly IF they manage to pull something awful off between now and Jan 1?

We could order some from the French. We could order some from Canada. We could pass legislation and/or Presidential declaration of emergency which allows the dreary cycle of environmental impact statements, interventions, lawsuits, demonstrations, etc., to be bypassed.

"How would you seal one of the longest borders in the world even knowing that the 38th parallel is still penetrable inspite of all the force and technology we have parked there?"

Some notions:

(a) Condemn a one-mile-wide strip along the border and salt it with land mines.
(b) Post National Guard troops at key locations--with LOADED weapons this time, please.
(c) Revisit the idea of "defense in depth": multiple plys of electric fences might be nice.

[discostu]

You pinged me to this thread.

{you}Some of those citizens of terrorist nations would leave voluntarily. The rest would be on notice, and could be hunted and deported.

The ones that left voluntarily would be the ones that aren't terrorists. Why get rid of the people that aren't our enemies. Not every citizen of these countries is a bad guy.

{you}I am not claiming that they will all be taken rapidly or easily. But, ye gods, why do we not START?

Ah but your demand is that the ALL be deported NOW. So you've just effectively admitted that your demand was unachievable, which was my sole argument there. Thanks for playing. We should do more to deport the illegals but we shouldn't demand the impossible of our government, whenever the government starts trying to do the impossible they wind up shredding another section of the Constitution.

{you}Subcontract it to the Mossad. Or get the Mossad to train an entirely civilian force of assassins, without any restrictions, except that they must target known members of terrorist organizations, anywhere and everywhere in the world.

Oh so now you're suddenly for putting responsibility for the defense of America in foreign hands?! Look the Mossad is good but OUR defense is OUR job. As for Mossad training of civilians, got any proof that such a thing isn't happening? A lot of counter terror activities are very secret, remember for long stretches of its life Delta has officially not existed.

{you} Won't you look silly IF they manage to pull something awful off between now and Jan 1?

not nearly as silly as you gloomers look every time your predictions turn out wrong. I've got at least a 99-1 records against your ilk. The only reason gloomers wind up right is they keep making the same prediction over and over until finally it comes true. Eventually there will be another attack on America, there's too many bad guys for it to not happen. Whether or not it will be 9/11 redux is yet to be seen. But your specific claim is that the war is already lost and the attack WILL come either tomorrow or before the election and it WILL be 9/11 all over, highly unlikely on all counts. Currently the terrorists are in bad shape, they haven't struck outside the Middle East since the Bali bombing and have made an abnormal number of attacks in Muslim countries thus showing a severe lack of ability to act outside their own backyard. Meanwhile they've lost a lot of funding and their figure head hasn't been confirmed alive in 2 years. The war is going well whether you like it or not.

{you} (a) Condemn a one-mile-wide strip along the border and salt it with land mines.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Spend MILLIONS, displace THOUSANDS, destroy DOZENS of local economies and to do what? Put a bunch of landmines on the ground. Brilliant waste of money, and a great way to garauntee Bush loses every border state and we wind up with a commie terrorist sympathizer in the White House.

{you} (b) Post National Guard troops at key locations--with LOADED weapons this time, please.

Define "key locations", we're talking about thousands of miles of border here. We don't just have to worry about the bad guys coming from Mexico, for much of the year Canada is a much easier to use to cross. Then we've got two coasts and an island state. Having a rubber dingy in your luggage on a Carnival Cruise ship can get you over the border in a pretty high degree of comfort (since you're jumping ship you don't even have to pay your bar tab)

{you} (c) Revisit the idea of "defense in depth": multiple plys of electric fences might be nice.

Yeah unless you live on the border. And how many years will that take to put up? And what will it do to our trade with our neighbors? And how does it help the coasts?