Why the Trash You Sort Isn't Getting Recycled

http://www.americanoutlook.org ^ | December 29, 2003 | Dennis T. Avery

[Great_Dame]

Whoo Hoo! The guy who dreamt that up gets an A+ for sales and marketing!

[Glenn]

My question being, if you are placing the stuff in plastic bags, who is opening up your bags of garbage and going through them?

I am putting them in the bin provided by Waste Management and the township I live in. They just want everything in the bins to be loose and scrubbed before they have to touch it with gloves to throw it in the truck. It's a dainty little business, I guess.

[E Rocc]

They were kind enough to mail a pamphlet describing exactly what I should be doing with my soup cans and soda bottles (as if I have the time or inclination to scrape the damn wrappers off the soup cans, wash out the soda bottles, remove the plastic wrapper, lid and ring from the bottle...and on and on and on).

In my municipality I pay $10 a month to have the trash picked up, so I'll be clintoned if I am going to pre-process the modell for them.

I also happen to know how they treated the at-one-time second largest aluminum recycling site in North America (my previous employer) when it was located there. Another reason not to cooperate.

Where paper is concerned, most paper comes from trees which are grown as a crop. Therefore, "saving trees" by using it sparingly or recycling it is like "saving corn plants" by not eating corn....or recycling it from.....never mind.

-Eric

[Glenn]

And while I'm on this rant, am I the only person who has noticed the spew of diesel, leak of oils, and roar of engine out of these trucks?

[E Rocc]

New York City wasn’t able to dump its garbage at sea any more, and it got piled up on Staten Island. What happened?

Staten Island doubled in size???

It would have, except for the fact that a big proportion of the waste produced in NYC is converted into laws, regulations, or politicians.

-Eric

[Oatka]

Plastic two-liter soft drink bottles weigh 30 percent less than the old glass bottles. Plastic bags weight 70 percent less than paper.

But glass was sterilized and reused umpteen times. Then somebody got the bright idea to dump the costs on the public and use "disposeable" plastic bottles, which takes years, if ever, to deteriorate. Note that the shift to plastic didn't equal a drop in price.

Same with paper bags - they rotted after a while. They gave jobs to people who logged the scrub pine and the forest was renewable. Now we suck up oil to make these bags, which like the above, never decay. (I still make a point to ask for paper in the stores, especially now that they have handles, which was the only "improvement" I found in plastic.)

The article sounds like a promo for the "use once and throw it away" crowd. That being said, I never could see the sort-your-garbage routine as it was pretty obvious that it was neither environmentally friendly or cost effective and was merely another duck-the-consequences gambit by the corporations.

[yankeedame]

AND these phony recycling programs has us paying $2.00+ a month for our planet! Sheech!!

Bingo! Remember: When something worth something people pay you, you don't pay them, i.e. you don't pay someone to take your 2002 Dodge Ram 2500, they pay you, but you do pay someone to haul away your old washing machine that just went kaput.

[stylin_geek]

Good point about the trucks. Thanks for the clarification about the daintily scrubbed garbage people and how they prefer to handle your "recyclables."

[redhead]

In the old days, a pile of garbage at the dump would be set afire, and everything combustible would be burned away, while the oxidation of the metals would be well-begun. Then, the non-combustible metals (which will eventually degrade) were buried. Glass was sent back to glass factories as early as the 1920's to be recycled again and again, into insulation, fabrics, and more glass items, and aluminum, copper and brass were recycled. Large items of iron or steel were shipped back to steel mills.

[Mo1]

My neighbors are unhappy to learn that the trash they’ve carefully sorted for years into brown bottles, green bottles, cans, and paper is being dumped back into one pile at the local landfill.

They are just figuring this out??

The Recycling guys have been doing this around my way for years ... and we pay extra trash fees for this too

I have to admit the funniest .. well actually the stupidest recycling story I've heard, was a few years ago when a street near me was repaved using recycled glass

Everyone kept getting flat tires .. so then the local township had to do a study to find out why so many flat tires were occurring on the street made from recycled glass

[yankeedame]

LOL!! Ah, PJ, you're a panic!

[meowmeow]

Same here - trash goes in the trash. Let some tree-hugger sort it out. And the county provides us with nice blue recycle bins that are great for storing things behind the shed!

[Blue Collar Christian]

"Lots of people probably misunderstood the cost and benifits."


Just like the elctric car folks thinking the recharging of their batteries comes from sources that do not pollute.

[DannyTN]

If there is no intention of recycling, then that really should be fraud or false advertising.

Where are the class action lawyers when you need them.

[Protagoras]

I have been saying this for years based on earlier articles and books on the subject. But people just do not want to hear it.

[KEVLAR]

It is cost effective for me to sort. I pay $2.00 per can for garbage to be hauled away. Recyclables are free.

[Mo1]

Curious, I asked, then why does your company provide recycling services if you are not recycling stuff? His answer: "We make more money on 'recycling' service that regular trash service."

YEP .. it's all about the money

Many Many years ago .. my county built a trash to steam plant ... over the years it continues to still lose money and we the taxpayers are stuck paying MILLIONS for the stupid thing

[Protagoras]

Just like the elctric car folks thinking the recharging of their batteries comes from sources that do not pollute.

I'd be interested to know what the net effect is. I know I've read it but I can't remember the answer. It might also be pointed out that location of the pollution and how it is released are conciderations.

[redhead]

When my parents were kids, recycling went something like this: Dig the vegetables. Cook and eat the edible parts. Feed the other stuff (peelings, roots, tops, etc.) to pigs, goats and cows and reap the rewards. If you had something in a glass container, the container would either be reused indefinitely, or broken and buried away from the house. Steel cans and tin items were reused over and over. when they finally outlived their usefulness, they were flattened and used to patch holes in outhose walls or burned repeatedly until they disintegrated to the point where the barrel of ashes (everybody used a 55-gallon drum to burn trash) was taken to the garden and spread on the soil. Occasionally, a ketchup bottle or a little blue Vicks jar was saved for a flower vase. Even though rubbish was generated (although in a much smaller way) recycling was being utilized on a very local and personal basis for many years.

[RightField]

We are provided a separate, large container for all recyclables: paper, plastic, glass all goes into the same bin. I wash out the food cans, jars, etc. so as to not attract local critters. As I am using the water to wash out the cans, I always wonder which has more of an effect on the environment: the little bit of metal or glass that I am contributing to the recycling effort, or the little bit of water used for washing it out that would otherwise not be used.

The trash company says I don't have to wash out the individual items, but that I should keep the bin itself clean. Brilliant. So, which takes more water: rinsing out individual cans and bottles, or scrubbing out a large trash bin with ripened goo and encrusted gook?

Actually, tonight we're just saying to hell with it and will burn the Christmas paper, boxes, etc. in the patio fire pit. It won't all fit into the trash bins, and the trash company now won't take anything that will not fit into the provided bins. I'm not leaving the trash stacked around MY house!