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Anthrax Terror [CIA Building Case 2001 Anthrax Attacks were Terrorism]
The Washington Times ^ | 12-26-03 | Gertz/Scarborough

Posted on 12/26/2003 9:04:11 AM PST by cgk

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:11:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The CIA has been quietly building a case that the anthrax attacks of 2001 were in fact the result of an international terrorist plot.

U.S. officials with access to intelligence reports tell us the information showing a terrorist link to the anthrax-filled letters sent by mail in the weeks after the September 11 terrorist attacks is not conclusive. But it is persuasive.


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amerithrax; amesstrain; anthrax; anthraxattacks; antraz; billgertz; cia; hatfill; iraq; iraqsurveygroup; jenniferlopez; jihadinamerica; rowanscarborough; terrorism
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; JustPiper; Fred Mertz; Sabertooth; Battle Axe; Shermy; browardchad
Times columnist Howard Troxler
Nov. 1, 2001

The following is the transcript of a TimesChat with Times columnist Howard Troxler held on Nov. 1 on TimesChat. To see the schedule of future chat guests and view previous chat transcripts, go to www.tampabay.com/chat

ModeratorSteve  OK, we're ready to start. Welcome to Timeschat. Let me give Howard a chance to introduce himself
HowardTroxler  Hey, this is Howard. I'd like to start by admitting up front that whatever you're for, we're probably biased against, no sense in trying to outwit me in that regard. (Grin.)
ModeratorSteve  OK, for our first question.
Bucsalltheway  With the very recent occurances of Anthrax appearing with no forseeable link, do you believe we will now have reports of postal facilities all over the country being tainted? and more people at homes contacting anthrax?
HowardTroxler  So far, what do we know for sure? Only the Trenton letters -- no evidence yet this is not a sole domestic nut who somehow had access...
  ... they were smart to target the media to get maximum attention though. I am not minimizing the seriousness -- people are dead -- but in terms of the scale of 5k dead in NYC, Pentagon attack, the fact we are bombing a foreign nation & holding together an international coalition, it is NOT the biggest thing going, true?
ModeratorSteve  If you're just joining us, we're chatting today with Times columnist Howard Troxler. Send in your questions now by typing them at the bottom and hitting enter or return. And remember, we'll post a transcript later on for anyone who missed the chat.
shoney  Did you get tested for anthrax exposure after you got that powder in the mail?
HowardTroxler  Yes, but only after the first NBC test was positive (remember, our St. Pete letter-writer also wrote to NBC and NY Times Judith Miller
It was a simple nose swab, which of course was negative. :)
ModeratorSteve  An important reminder: Anything you guys type in at the bottom is sent to us as a potential question. Your general comments won't be seen by other participants.
PEGGYB  Have you heard any theories as to how someone is putting the anthrax spores into the envelopes that were mailed without inhaling it themselves? My understanding is that there are no 100%% sure masks or gas masks that will work.
HowardTroxler  That is a great question, and I have no clue how it works. I suppose if you were serious about it, you could work in a glove box?
After all, if they're sophisticated enough to get the right diameter & transport medium, that seems like a relatively minor technical matter, true?
ModeratorSteve  Here's a question from Bucsall the way sent via e-mail: My question is in regards to the Hoax anthrax letter you received. Nothing more was said about it. I assume it was negative but are you on Cipro? Was the building tested? It seems the reporting on that subject got awfully quiet quickly.
HowardTroxler  Our letter was merely a local hoaxter. He got himself nat'l attention by also sending to NBC and NY TImes' Judith Miller -- all negative. All hoaxes. But it came just before the Trenton letters and for a while it was not clear the actual source. My test was negative. Our envelope was negative. All negative. I think we said so in print, and if we didn't make it clear, I'm saying it now.
guy  Your letter was postmarked 10/5 and contained similar things that no one could know about the other letters unless they were involved
HowardTroxler  Yes, the same guy in St. Pete wrote me 10/5 and the NY Times letter postmarked 10/5. I am not certain of the postmark on the first NBC letter. I am not aware of what the letter said that referenced the other letters -- I saw the text and we printed it, and I don't think the text supports that.... please clarify?
ModeratorSteve  Guy, please go ahead and send us a clarification on that question and we'll try again
guy  I really think there is a link to your letter and to the terrorist's
HowardTroxler  Of course, anything is possible -- but to me so far, it seemed purely like a local nut... unfortunately I get a lot of them! (It was flattering, in a weird way, to be included with the NYTimes and NBC, but I realize it was only the accident of having my pic in the local paper.... sigh).
Bucsalltheway  I believe the mailing to the media indeed was to get Maximum exposure, now that they have it and as I said eariler, the cases now being found if no links could mean they are still out there and branching to private homes as the FBI said they are investigating. what's your take on Irradidated mail? For or against?
HowardTroxler  No evidence of private homes yet, although the NY hospital worker is still a mystery. If irradiation works and is feasible and doesn't jack postage to $3 a letter, what does it hurt? But maybe there are more efficient precautions?
ModeratorSteve  A question from Francis in Tampa: Mr. Troxler, One of your reporters, David Wesson I think, wrote a most interesting piece several weeks ago. It had to do with an investigation called Operation Jericho that he said was conducted by FDLE in the eighties and the ninetees. It looks like FDLE and the state had knowledge of many of the potential terrorist support networks here in our state for many years in advance of the September 11 tragedies. Has there been any follow up to this, and how can we now trust law enforcement which should have known about terrorist sympahizers?
HowardTroxler  Hmm, you might be talking about David Wasson, who is a reporter for a certain Virginia-owned newspaper that circulates mostly in Tampa...


Firefighters and guards cover St. Petersburg Times columnist Howard Troxler's desk with plastic after he received an envelope, below, Tuesday with a substance like salt or sugar.


The cryptic letter misspelled Troxler's name and had little punctuation. It said:

"Howard Toxler ... 1st case of disease now blow away this dust so you see how the real thing flys. Oklahoma-Ryder Truck! Skyway bridge-18 wheels."

81 posted on 12/26/2003 3:34:27 PM PST by cgk (Kraut, 1989: We must brace ourselves for disquisitions on peer pressure, adolescent anomie & rage.)
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To: Nick Danger
No other theory explains how and why the Sun got hit in the manner that it did

Your *other* theory is neat, but it doesn't explain why the AMI building failed to get the same sort of threatening notes that the actual anthrax targets received.

On the other hand, a cross-contaminated rent check explains it easily; there was no threatening note to AMI...because it wasn't the intended target. This fact also explains why no one is sure *which* letter to AMI was the anthrax carrier. It *might* have been the J-Lo letter, but that letter was so insignificant to the editors that it was discarded; something that can hardly be said for the actual Greendale School return address letters to the real targets.

Occam's Razor. The terrorists had to pay their apartment rent. Anthrax spores are so small that they filter through paper envelopes as well as attach themselves to paper objects such as cash and checks (e.g. rent payment checks). The terrorists' landlord frequented her husband's AMI building. Two people at the AMI building contracted anthrax.

82 posted on 12/26/2003 3:37:19 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Nick Danger
Remember a Freeper who called himself The Great Satan? He seems to have gotten himself banned

And I noticed just today that 2 others from the group were also banned - his detractors no less. I've been away so long from this topic, I pinged them to the thread. Strange. And TGS' theory was the best on here, in my opinion. Remember the quote on his profile page?


From Google's cache:

They turned to the hot topic of anthrax. The powder in the letter mailed to Senator Daschle's office had been found to be potent, prompting officials to suggest its source was likely an expert capable of producing the bacteria in large amounts. Tenet said, "I think it's AQ" – meaning al Qaeda. "I think there's a state sponsor involved. It's too well thought out, the powder's too well refined. It might be Iraq, it might be Russia, it might be a renegade scientist," perhaps from Iraq or Russia.

Scooter Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, said he also thought the anthrax attacks were state sponsored. "We've got to be careful on what we say." It was important not to lay it on anyone now. "If we say it's al Qaeda, a state sponsor may feel safe and then hit us thinking they will have a bye because we'll blame it on al Qaeda."

"I'm not going to talk about a state sponsor," Tenet assured them.

"It's good that we don't," said Cheney, "because we're not ready to do anything about it."

         — Bush at War, Bob Woodward, p. 248 (account of NSC meeting, 10/17/01)


83 posted on 12/26/2003 3:38:27 PM PST by cgk (Kraut, 1989: We must brace ourselves for disquisitions on peer pressure, adolescent anomie & rage.)
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To: cgk

BINGO!

84 posted on 12/26/2003 3:39:36 PM PST by Van der Waals
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To: cgk
BTW, does Howard Troxler happen to be of the Jewish faith?
85 posted on 12/26/2003 3:42:16 PM PST by Van der Waals
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To: Van der Waals
Possibly. If I had to guess, I'd say probably based on this article he wrote: Passover: a time for remembering origins, regardless of faith , as well as another column on "Yom Kippur".
86 posted on 12/26/2003 3:55:01 PM PST by cgk (Kraut, 1989: We must brace ourselves for disquisitions on peer pressure, adolescent anomie & rage.)
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To: pokerbuddy2
I personally believe the anthrax was Saddam's and that he was in cahoots with al-Qaeda, which makes the theory one and the same, yes?
87 posted on 12/26/2003 3:59:20 PM PST by cgk (Kraut, 1989: We must brace ourselves for disquisitions on peer pressure, adolescent anomie & rage.)
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To: Thud
ping
88 posted on 12/26/2003 4:01:55 PM PST by Dark Wing
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To: cgk
Thanks for the link.

I guess I just didn't have the patience for a 3,862-post Debka thread!

89 posted on 12/26/2003 4:03:23 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: cgk
Actually,guy , Howard Troxler is NOT Jewish. Thinking he was, like Judith Miller is, was the impetus for his "hoax" letter - written with the non-dominant hand - was it not?
90 posted on 12/26/2003 4:05:19 PM PST by Van der Waals
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To: cgk
Comments moved from another thread.

Sounds to me like somebody owes Hatfill a big apology.
1 posted on 12/26/2003 3:34:47 PM CST by Angelus Errare

To: Dog; Dog Gone; Coop; aristeides; apokatastasis; Green Knight; Jacob Kell; Luis Gonzalez; ...
Mega-Ping!
2 posted on 12/26/2003 3:36:13 PM CST by Angelus Errare

To: Angelus Errare
"Sounds to me like somebody owes Hatfill a big apology."

Maybe the FBI agent that rode over his foot would like to stand in front of his car?
3 posted on 12/26/2003 3:38:23 PM CST by John Beresford Tipton

To: Angelus Errare
How can this be??? They were sure it was the right wing militia.
4 posted on 12/26/2003 3:40:41 PM CST by snopercod (War is, at first, like a young girl with whom every man desires to flirt.)

To: Angelus Errare
I don't believe it. It makes no sense for the terrorists to send anthrax to their compatriots, the Democrat Senators. Now if they sent it to Sen. Frist or Rep. Delay, then I might agree...
5 posted on 12/26/2003 3:42:32 PM CST by paul in cape

traces of anthrax recovered from a bomb in early 2003 were of the same strain Iraq declared in 1991 it had weaponized.

ANTHRAX.... in IRAQ.... on a BOMB... in 2003.

So much for "No evidence of WMDs."

6 posted on 12/26/2003 3:42:40 PM CST by BagCamAddict (DO NOT TRUST ANY IRAQI WHO IS 40 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT !!)

To: Angelus Errare
The wife of the Sun's editor was the landlord to at least two of the 9/11 terrorists. This is no coincidence. What you have to remember is that *MOST* of the people who contracted anthrax got it when their own innocent mail was cross-contaminated with the anthrax letters as the envelopes touched each other in various post offices. This is why entire post offices had to be shut down. They weren't the target of the anthrax letters, but their mail got contaminated by the anthrax letters going to those targets.

Well, just as those anthrax letters contaminated other mail that they came into contact with while they were being mailed, the anthrax letters would *also* contaminate other letters being mailed by the terrorists, such as those to pay rent to their landlords. And those letters to their landlords would have likewise contaminated other mail, so it's easy to see how two people at the Sun's office got infected.

Contrary to the spin put forth by the "blame the right wing white guy" crowd, the Sun was not the intended target. The Sun didn't get a letter saying "We have this anthrax, you die now" like everybody else, and also take note that the actual anthrax targets were all in NYC and Washington, D.C., not Florida.

No, the Florida anthrax attack was an accident due to cross-contamination. The Sun's editor had his wife working as a landlord, and her mail got contaminated when the terrorists had to pay their rent to her.

No other theory explains how and why the Sun got hit in the manner that it did, but my theory above clearly shows a direct contamination trail from the terrorists to their landlord to the Sun's office.

They had to pay their rent, and the anthrax cross-contaminated their correspondence.

7 posted on 12/26/2003 3:46:31 PM CST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)

To: paul in cape
Wasn't Dashole the majority leader at the time? If so, then it could be that terrorist had gone for the title and attempt to knock off our gov. instead of worrying about their friends. After all, look at all the actual members of their faith they are killing with their current activities. Grand scheme.
8 posted on 12/26/2003 3:49:27 PM CST by FreeAtlanta

To: Southack
Didn't Atta also buy Cipro in the weeks before 911? I heard he did.

Or, was that just an Urban legend?

9 posted on 12/26/2003 3:52:12 PM CST by FreeAtlanta

To: Angelus Errare
"Some officials think the intelligence is at least as valid as the FBI's "mad scientist" theory..."
*chuckle*
Translation: "So far we haven't found sheepdip, so maybe we need to look at other things."

Apology?
They won't do that, law enforcement agencies do not like to issue apologies for any reason since that would make then look bad.
They do not like having egg on their faces.
10 posted on 12/26/2003 3:55:53 PM CST by Darksheare (Let's celebrate the Dem's top 10 in the charts of pain, vote Republican.)

To: Angelus Errare
The Bureau strikes again! WOW! Are we safe from the terrorists. Thanks to our competant freinds in the Bureau.
11 posted on 12/26/2003 3:56:56 PM CST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)

To: seamole
ping
12 posted on 12/26/2003 4:03:20 PM CST by Angelus Errare

To: snopercod
How can this be??? They were sure it was the right wing militia.

Various reasons for FBI, um, "disinformation," include:
- Smarts: the FBI, at the behest of the admin, is sowing disinfo while we prepare for checkmate.
  ("disinformation" is a comforting possibility, but highly unlikely at this late date)
- Liberalism: FBI management, promoted during the 90s, really believe the RW nut scenario.
  (unfortunately, this is at least as likely as the "disinfo" campaign)
- Organizational vanity: The FBI, pop-psych profile in hand, is forcing the case to fit the profile.
  (profiles have media glamour, but are easily subjected to political forces)
- Bureaucratic entropy: The FBI's mission and training focus is on domestic crime-fighting.
  (when all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail)
- Revisionism: FBI's focus on domestic extremists led to disasters at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
  (therefore, a domestic, RW, anthrax nut would prove the FBI was "correct" all-along)
- Policy Problems: Faulty evidence rules and case policies from the 90's badly affect investigations.
  (Rank-and-file grumblings: Trie; Wen-Ho Lee; Moussaoui; flight schools; OKC; etc.)
- Stoolie: The FBI is attempting to protect a mole or some other source of info.
  (maybe they have someone on the inside, but it seems unlikely)
- CYA: They're covering for some yet-unknown, internal lapse or action.
13 posted on 12/26/2003 4:03:37 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)

To: Angelus Errare; BKO; Carl/NewsMax; Clinton Is Scum; billoreilly; Sean Hannity; ...
.

NEVER FORGET that it was HILLARY who announced, almost immediately after the first Anthrax Attacks in American History, that they were domestic attacks against all her Friends:

-TOM BROKAW
-DAN RATHER
-PETER JENNINGS
-TOM DASCHLE
-TOM LEAHY

in order to enhance their credibility as "Purple Heart" Veterans in a new Time of War she helped cause...


and to also threaten HILLARY's Enemies such as:

-American Media, Inc Publications
-Columnist DICK MORRIS' NY Daily News Editorial Staff


The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.

.
14 posted on 12/26/2003 4:07:04 PM CST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)

To: FreeAtlanta
Anthrax = Islamic Terrorism

Any scenario other than Islamic terrorism means ALL of the following are just coincidences.

SERIOUS CONNECTIONS

- The most serious bioterror attack in America began only days after 9-11

- The letters all mention standard Islamic catch-phrases.

- Florida Dr. Tsonas treated Ahmed al-Haznawi for a severe leg lesion in late June.
  Dr. Tsonas is now convinced it was cutaneous anthrax.

- Two Johns Hopkins biodefense experts (Dr. Thomas Inglesby, Dr. Tara O'Toole) agree with Tsonas.

- FL hijackers inquire about crop-dusters and dispersal characteristics of chemical loads.

- Atta attempted to obtain a loan to buy a plane and convert it into a chemical transport.

- Moussaoui, the "20th hijacker", had tech info on airliners, crop-dusters, and wind patterns.

- Mohamed Atta went to a drugstore with red, chemical-burned hands mid-2001.
  Druggist thought Atta was suffering from exposure to a chemical with basic pH, possibly bleach (used to kill anthrax).

- Allah Rakah, detained by FBI, for placing suspicious bag of letters in his car with FL license plates

- Atta met twice with Colonel Muhammed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, a "very senior" Iraqi 'Special Ops' agent.
  (one report says the Czechs confirmed they had video...spycraft SOP)
  (another report claims that a vacumm bottle was passed to Atta during the meeting)

- Ziad Jarrah also met with an Iraqi agent in 2001 in the UAE.

- Marwan al-Shehhi also met with an Iraqi agent in 2001 in the UAE.

- Iraq is the ONLY hostile country known to have succeeded in weaponizing anthrax

- Iraq conducted military exercises simulating the dispersal of anthrax spores from crop-dusters

- The anthrax coating is silica, a material used by Iraq on biological agents.
- Chemical and biological weapons are effectively dispersed from crop-dusters

- The terrorists had two operational hubs: Hamilton, New Jersey and Delray, Florida. Anthrax was found in both areas.

JUST COINCIDENCES??

- The wife of the Sun tabloid's editor rented two apartments to two hijackers In Florida.

- The intials of the ringleader, A-T-T-A, are highlighted in letter 3a (Brokaw).

- Marwan al-Shehhi went to Huber Drugs (with Atta) with severe chest congestion.
  The pharmacist sold him a bottle of Robitussin initially, and later antibiotics.
15 posted on 12/26/2003 4:09:39 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)

To: FreeAtlanta
Wasn't Dashole the majority leader at the time? If so, then it could be that terrorist had gone for the title and attempt to knock off our gov. instead of worrying about their friends.

How do you explain the anthrax letter sent to Sen. Leahy? He doesn't seem to be one of the more well-known senators.

16 posted on 12/26/2003 4:13:28 PM CST by wideminded

To: Angelus Errare
Vast right wing conspiracy fer sure. Daschle told me so.
17 posted on 12/26/2003 4:14:10 PM CST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)

To: polemikos; farmfriend; BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; Dog; Dog Gone
Thanks for all the links:
18 posted on 12/26/2003 4:15:22 PM CST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)

To: Southack
I prefer the theory that the Florida letter was the result of a terrorist taking his instruction too literally. He was told to send letters to the American media and sent the first one to American Media Inc. in Florida.
19 posted on 12/26/2003 4:23:33 PM CST by expatpat

To: wideminded; No More Gore Anymore; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub


See my ALOHA RONNIE Post #14 =

Anthrax Targets Sen. LEAHY and Sen. DASCHLE's credibility enhancements on TV in their Battles against our Commander-in-Chief BUSH's protecting us in Time of War.

Sen. LEAHY even went on to repeadedly remind us on TV during one of his Battles against BUSH that he was targeted by really powerful Anthrax with the strength of 100,000 Spores on an area of a pinhead.

T'is so cravenly obvious to me, anyway.


So's this:

'HILLARY and TERRORISM's plan to regain the White House'

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1022571/posts

.
20 posted on 12/26/2003 4:28:45 PM CST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)

To: ALOHA RONNIE
NEVER FORGET that it was HILLARY who announced, almost immediately after the first Anthrax Attacks in American History, that they were domestic attacks against all her Friends:

-TOM BROKAW
-DAN RATHER
-PETER JENNINGS
-TOM DASCHLE
-TOM LEAHY



Excellent memory!
21 posted on 12/26/2003 4:36:03 PM CST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)

To: polemikos
"Iraq is the ONLY hostile country known to have succeeded in weaponizing anthrax"

Oh, heaven's no! Anthrax has been weaponized by a number of countries since the First World War, when it was used by the Germans on deer that they herded into our troops. Louis Pastuer, however, had invented the first anthrax vaccination back in 1850, however, and since the French were on our side back then anthrax was hardly a problem.

Today, no fewer than Libya, Syria, and North Korea have weaponized anthrax, along with a host of other potentials (states/bio-agents).

22 posted on 12/26/2003 4:43:55 PM CST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)

To: Angelus Errare; All
23 posted on 12/26/2003 5:08:30 PM CST by aristeides

To: Southack
Libya, Syria, and North Korea...

Got links?
24 posted on 12/26/2003 5:09:45 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)

To: polemikos

Countries with Agricultural Bioweapons Programs

A number of countries have conducted bioweapons research on anti-livestock or anti-crop pathogens. Countries with documented programs are outlined in the table below.

Documented Agricultural Bioweapons Programs

Country*

Dates of Program

Diseases Studied

Canada

1940s-1960s

Anthrax, rinderpest

France

1939-1972

Potato beetle, rinderpest

Former Soviet Union

1935-1992 (current status unclear)

African swine fever, anthrax, avian influenza, brown grass mosaic, brucellosis, contagious bovine pleuropneumonia, contagious ecthyma (sheep), foot-and-mouth disease, glanders, maize rust, Newcastle disease, potato virus, psittacosis, rinderpest, rice blast, rye blast, tobacco mosaic, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, vesicular stomatitis, wheat stem rust, wheat and barley mosaic streak viruses

Germany

1915-1917, 1942-1945

Anthrax, foot-and-mouth disease, glanders, potato beetle, wheat fungus

Iraq

1980s-present (current status unclear)

Aflatoxin, anthrax, camelpox, foot-and-mouth disease, wheat stem rust, wheat smut

Japan

1937-1945

Anthrax, glanders

South Africa

1980s-1993

Anthrax

United Kingdom

1937-1960s

Anthrax

United States

1943-1969

Anthrax, brucellosis, Eastern and Western equine encephalitis, foot-and-mouth disease, glanders, late blight of potato, Newcastle disease, psittacosis, rice blast, rice brown spot disease, rinderpest, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, wheat blast fungus, wheat stem rust

*In addition to the countries identified, the Rhodesian government was suspected of using anthrax to kill cattle owned by the rural black population in the 1970s.

Adapted from Monterey Institute of International Studies. Agricultural biowarfare: state programs to develop offensive capabilities (see References).

Several countries other than those noted in the table above are suspected of having agricultural bioweapons programs, although the status of these programs is unknown (see References: Monterey Institute of International Studies: Agricultural biowarfare). They include:

  • Egypt (anthrax, brucellosis, glanders, psittacosis, Eastern equine encephalitis)
  • North Korea (anthrax)
  • Syria (anthrax)

Source

25 posted on 12/26/2003 5:27:02 PM CST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)

To: Southack
I think my statement still stands ;-)
26 posted on 12/26/2003 5:30:01 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)

To: Angelus Errare
A4 sized paper. Like, duh.
27 posted on 12/26/2003 5:30:33 PM CST by thatdewd

To: wideminded
"How do you explain the anthrax letter sent to Sen. Leahy?"

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze43v8m/Page2.html#Leahy%20Law
28 posted on 12/26/2003 5:31:52 PM CST by pokerbuddy2

To: polemikos
29 posted on 12/26/2003 5:34:49 PM CST by pokerbuddy2

To: John Beresford Tipton
30 posted on 12/26/2003 5:35:41 PM CST by pokerbuddy2

To: pokerbuddy2
Cool. Thanks!
31 posted on 12/26/2003 5:39:56 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)

To: onyx
.


Awh, but HILLARY's Trick here is that she NEVER bothers to tell US that...


TOM BROKAW
DAN RATHER &
PETER JENNINGS

...are in fact her Friends to the point of their NEVER reporting on TV HILLARY's own misbehaviors to US on Network TV News.


The CLINTONS' M.O =

'It's the TV, Stupid, no matter WHO pays for it'...

still.

.

32 posted on 12/26/2003 5:44:14 PM CST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)

To: polemikos
"I think my statement still stands ;-)"

Can you not read plain English?

Post #25 CLEARLY shows that North Korea and Syria have anthrax weapons programs, yet *your* statement was that only Iraq had it.

Just precisely *HOW* does your claim still stand?

33 posted on 12/26/2003 5:45:04 PM CST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)

To: Angelus Errare
Nooooooooooo!? Who'd a thunk it?!?!
34 posted on 12/26/2003 5:47:56 PM CST by mercy

To: Southack
Can you not read plain English?

Relax a second, will ya?

I wrote:
"Iraq is the ONLY hostile country known to have succeeded in weaponizing anthrax"

The operative words here are: "only", "hostile" and "known" and "succeeded".

Your chart demonstrates my statement quite clearly.
Your counter examples are only "suspected", but not "known".
The english is quite plain.
35 posted on 12/26/2003 6:01:08 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)

91 posted on 12/26/2003 4:10:23 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: big ern
What would be our options if we announced Saddam hit us or supplied the anthrax to the folks who hit us? Nuke or not to Nuke.

I think that nuking now would be a bit counter-productive. :)

92 posted on 12/26/2003 4:35:22 PM PST by lepton
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To: lepton
I was referring to when the Anthrax attacks were going on, not now.
94 posted on 12/26/2003 4:52:47 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I may have been born, poor white trash, but Fancy is my name.)
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To: cgk
This is frickin' ridiculous. The real culprit is an angry southern redneck. The TV networks said so.
96 posted on 12/26/2003 5:41:50 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Bad spellers of the world untie!!)
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To: Nick Danger; riri
yes, we had been kicking that one around on some of the other "orange alert" threads. saddam's capture could be have triggered some kind of failsafe for the chain of custody for the material. TGS was a good poster, not sure if he is back on here under another screen name.

regardless of which theory is correct, the big question is still: where is the rest of this stuff? whoever made it, can make more of it, its easy to store and transport.
97 posted on 12/26/2003 6:16:16 PM PST by oceanview
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To: polemikos

Poisoned Missiles: Syria's Doomsday Deterrent
by Dany Shoham

This is Part II of a two-part examination of Syria's chemical and biological weapons (CBW). Part I, which appeared in the Summer Middle East Quarterly, revealed how Syria built its capabilities. Part II catalogues Syria's present CBW stocks, investigates how Damascus has weaponized them, and ponders possible scenarios for their use.

Syria today has the most formidable chemical and biological weapons capabilities of any Arab state. How did Damascus achieve this? As we saw in Part I, Syria's chemical "Los Alamos" was abetted by Western suppliers, ever eager to provide chemicals, factories, and technology, and also by Western governments, conveniently content to look the other way.

Iraq under Saddam Husayn had the same ambition, but Hafiz al-Asad proceeded with greater caution. The Syrian military built the infrastructure under ostensibly scientific auspices, abjuring grand innovations and sticking to tried and tested technologies that the Syrians knew they could implement without much direct foreign guidance. And because Asad joined the international coalition against Iraq, and then entered a "peace process" with Israel, Syria's progress was never scrutinized like that of Iraq and Iran.

But capabilities are one thing; an actual CBW strategic option is another. A CBW deterrent requires a highly integrated combination of materials and delivery systems. And for this option to be truly strategic, Syria needs to be able to threaten its adversaries with CBW not just on the battlefield but on the home front—an option achievable, first and foremost, by the use of ballistic missiles. Has Syria achieved the necessary degree of integration to threaten and deter potential adversaries—above all, Syria's only declared enemy, Israel?

Missiles at the Ready

The conflict with Israel makes it incumbent on Syria to foster and maintain a high level of operational preparedness, both to deter Israel and, if necessary, to launch effective strikes against it. (While Syria must also take into account two problematic neighbors, Turkey and Iraq, they take a back seat to Syria's strategic preoccupation with Israel.) Ballistic missiles are the backbone of the Syrian posture, so that missiles effectively shape Syrian strategic orientation and operational preparedness as a whole. Missiles, of course, can be equipped with a variety of warheads. But before examining these, just what are the delivery systems at Syria's command?

The Syrian missile command is based in Aleppo. It is known to control three mobile surface-to-surface missile brigades, each of which includes one battalion of (antiquated) FROG-7 SSM, one battalion of SS-21 Scarab SRBM, and one battalion of Scud-B missiles.[1] The missiles in mobile brigades have ranges of 70 to 300 kilometers. Some sixty TEL (Transporter-Elevator-Launcher) vehicles provide mobility.

In addition to mobile brigades, Syria has recently constructed hardened silos and a deep network of tunnels. At least fifteen such underground installations, built with North Korean and Chinese assistance, are being readied for some 1,000 Scud-C missiles, which have a range of 500 kilometers.

An additional four tunnels have been built to house Scud-D missiles, which have the longest range in the Syrian arsenal, 700 kilometers. The Syrians now manufacture these missiles themselves, with North Korean, Chinese, and Iranian help. In May 2000, Syria was reported to have received deliveries from North Korea of a new ballistic missile based on the Scud-D, which has a modern navigational system, making it much more accurate than its predecessor.[2]

Syria's acquisition of Scud-D missiles is significant because they allow Damascus to strike targets throughout Israel from launchers positioned well inside Syrian territory, and thus, less easily detected or attacked by Israel. The tunnels will provide a considerable degree of defense against conventional bombing for both the missile storage and maintenance facilities, and they are linked to a large number of camouflaged launch facilities.[3] All types of Scud missiles are designed to carry, along with conventional warheads, chemical and biological warheads.

Syria has two large underground missile production facilities near Aleppo and Hama, both built with Iranian, North Korean, and Chinese assistance. Iran and Syria jointly produce Scud-C and Scud-D missiles. Syria is believed to be attempting to acquire Chinese medium-range ballistic missile technology in the form of the M-9 and may indeed have already acquired M-11 missile systems.[4]

Most of the warheads fitted to these missiles contain conventional explosives for strikes against Israeli defensive positions and reinforcements in the Golan, or they are tipped with cluster bombs designed to put airfield runways out of commission. A number of the longer-range Scuds are apparently aimed at Israel's nuclear facility at Dimona and its Jericho ballistic missile launch sites at the Sdot Micha airbase.[5] Airfields in general, plus other key military installations and major cities, are probable candidates for targeting as well. The Syrians believe that a massive and sustained missile assault against Israel's airfields could go some way to nullifying Israel's air supremacy by the destruction of aircraft, runways, and airfield infrastructure.

At the same time, nearly all of the missiles in the Syrian inventory, covering every range and payload, can be fitted with chemical or biological weapons. Just what has Syria accomplished in its efforts to built a non-conventional, missile-based deterrent?

A Chemical Present

In the early years, even before Syria had missiles, it built delivery systems for chemical weapons. Since the mid-1980s, Syria has manufactured varieties of aerial bombs containing sarin. According to Russian intelligence, Syria has a stock of thousands of chemical aerial bombs that are carried by Su-22, Su-24, and MiG-23 planes.[6] Syria also has several thousand tactical munitions, including rockets and artillery shells containing sarin.[7]

The rockets and shells have tactical value, as do the aerial bombs (which also have some strategic value). But the major leap forward towards creation of a strategic deterrent took place only when Syria began to amass chemical warheads for Scud missiles. Syria's adversaries were not capable then—and may not be capable now—of intercepting such missiles. To add to the deterrent power of the missiles, Syria moved to acquire the nerve gas VX, with the intention of deploying it in missile-borne warheads.

In contrast to sarin, VX has a high persistence and is much more lethal when encountered through the respiratory system and the skin. Since 1988, there has been a flood of reports confirming Syrian production of VX in plants located near Hama, Homs, and elsewhere. In 1998, U.S. Central Intelligence (CIA) affirmed that Syria had completed the development of more potent, more toxic, and more persistent nerve agents,[8] referring, in fact, to VX.

Almost as soon as Syria had VX, Syria sought to load it in Scud warheads. The head of the Scud-B missile underwent experimental adaptations for carrying the large nozzles and dispersal mechanisms that are needed for chemical warfare agents, especially for spraying a persistent agent such as VX. Syria also began to explore the possibility of installing VX in short-range Soviet missiles already in Syria's possession—the FROG-7 and SS-21.

Syria is believed to have excluded all Westerners from its Scud VX weaponization project. Hence the importance of the first public reference by the Russian foreign intelligence service to Syria's offensive chemical capability, published in 1993. According to the Russians, Syria possesses between 100 and 200 chemical Scud-B warheads. Moreover, Syria has also armed some sixty Scud-C missiles with chemical warheads. And with the assistance of Russian specialists, Syria has developed a cluster warhead capable of delivering chemical or biological bomblets for the Scud-D.[9]

At least one test firing of a Scud-C missile tipped with VX was conducted near Damascus in May 1998.[10] Syria also conducted successful field tests of two indigenously manufactured Scud-D missiles armed with advanced conventional and non-conventional warheads in September 2000. In July 2001, a Scud-B missile carrying a chemical warhead was launched in a test flight from near Aleppo to a point just short of the Israeli border. Reportedly, Syrian sources confirmed the flight, explaining that this was "a message to Israel not to launch any attack on Damascus."[11] Israel has received the message: the head of the Israeli intelligence agency, the Mossad, told a June 2002 meeting of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization council that Syria had adapted sarin and VX to various Scud warheads (as well as to aerial bombs and rockets).[12]

Syria's main objective according to all assessments is the completion of an arsenal of enhanced-range surface-to-surface missiles tipped with chemical and biological warheads. At present, the focus is on the installation of chemical warheads on the Scud-C, the Scud-D, and the anticipated M-9. Beyond that, the next stage might include cruise missiles that carry warheads with chemical or biological cluster munitions. (Syria apparently possesses SS-N-3b cruise missiles.)

A Biological Future?

At present, Syria's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) deterrent relies entirely on chemical weapons, which are immediately operational. But Syria is well aware that an optimal strategic deterrent should include biological warheads on long-range surface-to-surface missiles. Broadly speaking, biological weapons are considered significantly superior to chemical weapons and in some senses comparable to nuclear weapons. Syria is acting accordingly.

From bits and pieces of evidence, the following picture emerges. The Syrian biotechnological infrastructure is basically inferior, but as with chemicals, the Syrians have succeeded in creating a narrow bridgehead that enables them to progress from stage to stage. And as with chemicals, the Scientific Studies and Research Center (SSRC) in Damascus has taken the scientific lead through its biological department. An appreciable portion of the Syrian knowledge in the biological field was obtained by means of the Arab Science Week conferences, which the SSRC regularly organizes. The center's published studies point to work with germs and proteins,[13] while the center's scientists have trained in France in the fields of toxinology and virology. The SSRC and the Syrian Center for Marine Research in Lattakia also cooperate,[14] most probably in the investigation of lethal toxins that are derived from marine animals and plants.

Syrian attention has focused primarily on two bacterial agents, anthrax and cholera, as well as two toxins, botulinum and ricin. Anthrax is an easily grown, deadly germ with maximal stability under extreme conditions (during storage, delivery, and in the field). Cholera is a contagious bacterium, suitable for contaminating food and water supplies, producing violent alimentary epidemics. Botulinum is an extremely toxic protein (derived from a germ) whose toxic power exceeds that of any other substance, natural or synthetic. Ricin is a lethal protein (derived from beans of the castor-oil plant, easily grown in Syria) that offers an optimal relation between cost and toxicity.

In regard to anthrax, Syria has some ongoing experience in the industrial cultivation of germs and viruses for the civilian production of anthrax (and smallpox) vaccines.[15] And while evidence is sketchy, Russian experts hired by Syria are reportedly engaged in cultivating a highly virulent anthrax germ for installation in missile warheads.[16] While Syria has concentrated on anthrax and cholera germs, it has also done work on the brucella germ, establishing a biohazard facility for this pathogen as well as isolating it from sheep.[17] Pasteurella, another bacterial pathogen related to the causative agent of bubonic plague, has also been investigated in Syria. The smallpox virus, which is considered a very reliable and effective biological weapon, last visited Syria in 1972.[18] It is assumed that with its development and production as a biological weapon by Russia, it was secretly delivered to Syria.[19]

It is believed that production facilities for chemical weapons, in the Aleppo area and at other sites, also include wings for biological weapons. An additional facility for biological weapons has been reported in the village of Cerin, alongside facilities for the development and production of medicinal preparations.[20]

Syria has also shown great interest in dispersal methods. At the SSRC, a high-capacity sampler for aerosol particles was developed that was used in fieldwork that dealt with the analysis of micronic particles.[21] Such samplers are extremely useful in field-testing biological weapons. Knowledge with operational value on dispersal techniques was also acquired in the framework of research on the packing, release, and effects of weed-controlling material in a polymer format. This technique, called micro-encapsulation packing (in tiny capsules), enables the controlled and ongoing dispersal of biological (and chemical) warfare agents under unfavorable environmental conditions. Scientists from Aleppo University and Germany worked on the project.[22]

Syria would claim that all its biological research is for peaceful purposes. Syria's official position on biological weapons is that it "supports very close international cooperation in the field of biological activities for peaceful purposes, which is certain to strengthen the influence and the realism of the Biological Weapons Convention."[23] In fact, Syria has had rudimentary biological weapons in its possession since the early 1990s. Syria—together with Iran, Iraq, Libya, Israel, North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan, China, and Russia—is currently considered to be a biological weapons possessor or developer by the United States.[24]

The Syrian military is also beginning to plan the eventual integration of biological weapons in its tactical and strategic arsenals. In April 2000, Syrian defense minister General Mustafa Talas published a lengthy article entitled "Biological (Germ) Warfare: A New and Effective Method in Modern Warfare." (Interestingly, the article was published in Persian translation in Tehran, the key Muslim strategic ally of Damascus.)[25] All indications suggest that Syria's ultimate objective is to mount biological warheads on all varieties of the long-range surface-to-surface missiles in its possession. This is a goal that can probably be achieved within a few years, and it may already have been realized in part.

98 posted on 12/26/2003 6:19:16 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: pokerbuddy2
The JLo letter is problematic for several reasons. For one, it was thrown away so we can't examine it. For another, it did not contain the "We have this anthrax, you die now" note inside of it that all of the actual, deliberate, intended anthrax target letters had. The third reason it is problematic is that the Florida AMI building is an anomaly. All of the other targets were in NYC and Washington, D.C.

So for those reasons and more, it makes far *more* sense that the AMI building was contaminated accidentally via the rent checks that the terrorists sent to their landlord...the wife of the Sun's editor at the AMI building.

99 posted on 12/26/2003 6:31:12 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Calpernia
You've got a good handle on why the FBI "mis anthraxed" this one. Basically, they get as good and capable agents as any other agency, even though they lowered their requirements. The requirements used to be a law or accounting degree, now any old degree and a Masters after joining (in what basket weaving?)- is my understanding.

Assuming that they have the agents they need, and the ones that were in counterintelligence, ie the Russian speaking ones were all pretty smart. Perhaps the Bureau moved the lesser mopes into the mainstream and promoted evenly from all areas thus putting more mopes into management. Perhaps this is wrong too, BUT, it is their management and entrenched culture whereby they believe their own press. As I recall they had two full time groups in NYC alone doing nothing but PR (easier than locating terrorists). Hope this factors into your thought patterns.

100 posted on 12/26/2003 6:38:04 PM PST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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