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America's controversial Christmas trees
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| Tuesday, 23 December, 2003
| Clare Murphy
Posted on 12/24/2003 9:25:05 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
"He was sneaky. He took advantage of his access to children to preach, and that simply cannot be allowed to happen," said Dick Kurtenbach of the Kansas ACLU, which has made a complaint. And, yet teachers who preach the orthodox religion of the state church will always be protected by the Anti-Christian Lunatics Union.
To: nickcarraway
One of my favorite memories of skool daze was the yearly school Christmas Concert. I was in the school choir for many years, and dearly loved singing those old songs. My favorite was "Angels We Have Heard on High." And I was NOT involved in any religion, although I did attend the Episcopal church so that I could sing in the choir.
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posted on
12/24/2003 9:33:35 AM PST
by
EggsAckley
(......................... IT'S NOT MY FAULT ! ! ! ...................................)
To: All
People are going to get offended everyday, they just need to get over it. I am just waiting for someone to say something about my CHRISTmas tree and living in base housing.
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posted on
12/24/2003 9:41:21 AM PST
by
navygal
To: EggsAckley
One of my favorite memories of skool daze was the yearly school Christmas Concert. I was in the school choir for many years, and dearly loved singing those old songs. My favorite was "Angels We Have Heard on High." Yes, I used to sing in the public school pageants too and we did the Christian carols along with the secular ones. The ACLU and other factions hadn't programmed people to be offended by that yet.
The good ol' days.
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posted on
12/24/2003 9:42:26 AM PST
by
Allegra
To: nickcarraway
The Christmas tree has for many lost its religious meaning over the decades. Oh for crying out loud.
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
To: nickcarraway
Merry CHRISTmas Everybody!
To: nickcarraway
Santas are fine as long as they do not proselytise in schools And just what would Santa proselytise about, the benefits of wearing red with white fur trim?
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posted on
12/24/2003 9:56:30 AM PST
by
CaptRon
To: ThreeYearLurker
Good for you. Say it loud and clear MERRY CHRISTMAS to all!! I'm so sick of hearing happy holidays or have a wonderful holiday I could puke.
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posted on
12/24/2003 9:56:42 AM PST
by
volchef
(Don't take a butcher's advice on how to cook meat. If he knew, he'd be a chef. - Andy Rooney)
To: nickcarraway
Any school, public library, university or government building which at this time of year crosses the constitutional boundary between church and state - be it simply through singing Silent Night or erecting a nativity scene on the lawn - risks being the target of a lawsuit.
The Constitution says nothing about the "separation of church and state"
To: Allegra; EggsAckley
The good ol' days. Thankfully they do still exist in some places.
Living Nativities in Town Squares, lighted Menorrahs next to Nativity scenes at the entrance to some towns, and children learning Christian carols along with Jingle bells in public school.
I don't dare post the town or school district names publicly lest they be the next target of the easily offended.
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posted on
12/24/2003 9:59:40 AM PST
by
Gabz
(Merry Christmas all)
To: nutmeg
read later
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posted on
12/24/2003 10:00:06 AM PST
by
nutmeg
(Land of the Free – Thanks to the Brave)
To: Vigilanteman
I think the ACLU is on the right track here, but they reach the wrong conclusion.
The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does not support the removal of religious symbols from places like public schools, libraries, etc. -- it actually serves as a compelling argument that places like public schools, libraries, etc. should not even exist in the first place.
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posted on
12/24/2003 10:06:28 AM PST
by
Alberta's Child
(Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
To: nickcarraway
I think today's "Secular Humanists" are fighting to be free from annoyance.
Would that we were all free from annoyance...
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posted on
12/24/2003 10:09:22 AM PST
by
Pete'sWife
(Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
To: nickcarraway
If you wish me a Happy atheists day I would reply, Thank you, and keep moving.
It's NOT religion, it's Christ that's the problem with secularists.
Merry Christmas to all.
To: Gabz
I don't dare post the town or school district names publicly lest they be the next target of the easily offended. LOL - I don't blame you. I envy you. I live in a big city, so seeing that would be like a wonderful step back in time for me. Cherish it.
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posted on
12/24/2003 10:17:10 AM PST
by
Allegra
To: Allegra
Cherish it. Believe me I am. This is our first Christmas in this area and having moved here from a city with a population nearly as big as this entire county. It has been very eye-opening.
I really hadn't paid much attention to the PCness that was taking over where I had lived for 20 years - but it is so apparent to me now.
I'm on my way out now to see some folks in one of those small towns that still does know to keep CHRIST in Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you and yours. And God's blessings for the New Year.
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posted on
12/24/2003 10:23:25 AM PST
by
Gabz
(Merry Christmas all)
To: Alberta's Child
"I think the ACLU is on the right track here, but they reach the wrong conclusion.
The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does not support the removal of religious symbols from places like public schools, libraries, etc. -- it actually serves as a compelling argument that places like public schools, libraries, etc. should not even exist in the first place."
Wow! Great Post!!!
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posted on
12/24/2003 10:33:32 AM PST
by
tbird5
To: nickcarraway
BS. It will always be CHRISTMAS with the Baby Jesus, families, christmas trees, decorations, Santa, the elves here in America.
What there won't be is an ACLU, haters of America, etc.
To: Dr. Frank
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
Ok... if you say so!
Z M Y
Happy Hanukkah
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posted on
12/24/2003 11:02:00 AM PST
by
Elsie
(When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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