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America's controversial Christmas trees
BBC ^ | Tuesday, 23 December, 2003 | Clare Murphy

Posted on 12/24/2003 9:25:05 AM PST by nickcarraway

For an overwhelmingly Christian country which prides itself on freedom of expression, removing "offensive" Christmas trees and censoring school Santas may seem curious.

Santas are fine as long as they do not proselytise in schools

But as far as American public institutions are concerned, it is not Christmas but the "holiday season".

Any school, public library, university or government building which at this time of year crosses the constitutional boundary between church and state - be it simply through singing Silent Night or erecting a nativity scene on the lawn - risks being the target of a lawsuit.

The supporters of such campaigns believe they are necessary to ensure the US, founded by those fleeing political persecution, does not exclude anyone on the basis of their faith - particularly amid post-9/11 religious tensions.

But for others, both within the religious right and beyond it, the joy of Christmas is being eroded by a group of politically-correct lobbyists who are turning another great American cause - freedom - on its head with a particularly joyless form of censorship.

Contentious candy

The constitution, as successive supreme court rulings have proved, does not exclude religion from schools.

A nativity scene can be displayed provided it is within a cultural context - that is to say featuring symbols from other religions as part of a secular display of peoples' differing beliefs, while students themselves are allowed to pray and preach within school parameters almost to their hearts' content.

It was recently ruled that a high school was wrong to exclude pupils for distributing Christmas sweets featuring a religious message, as it violated their freedom of speech.

But had their teachers, as representatives of the state, given out such candy to their charges, it would have been a different story.

The Kansas branch of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has, for example, just issued a complaint over a "sneaky Santa", a man who was invited into several state schools by the local authorities and who allegedly used his time there to "proselytise".

After asking the children what the meaning of Christmas was, one or two youngsters apparently offered the information that it was connected to the birth of Jesus, with which the Santa concurred.

"He was sneaky. He took advantage of his access to children to preach, and that simply cannot be allowed to happen," said Dick Kurtenbach of the Kansas ACLU, which has made a complaint.

A professor, similarly upset by a Christmas tree in the hall of the law school at Indiana University, successfully campaigned for its removal earlier this month.

Professor Florence Wagman Roisman's stated aim was in part to make sure the university remained an inclusive area in which no-one felt offended or left out.

The tree is now gone, replaced by a "winter scene" whose main feature is snow and a sleigh - some of the few unoffending articles that remain. "It's very pretty," an eyewitness told BBC News Online. "I don't think anyone can get upset by this."

Offended?

Whether Christmas trees, or a Santa suggesting that Christmas is connected with the birth of Christ, do in fact cause offence in America to non-Christians, is a moot point.

The Christmas tree has for many lost its religious meaning over the decades.

In addition, even the most secular members of society, and those of other beliefs, concur that Christmas is inextricably linked to the tale of Christ's alleged birth - whether one believes in the virgin birth or not.

"We take a very accommodationist view towards all this," says Nathan Diament of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, the nation's largest orthodox Jewish umbrella organisation.

"And most Orthodox Jews certainly wouldn't get upset by a Christmas tree - it's not viewed as an offensive religious symbol."

Some ardent defenders of the distinction between church and state also believe that the pursuit of Christmas trees and Santas is unwarranted.

"This is really taking it too far," says Susan Jacoby, author of the forthcoming Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism. "People really don't see Christmas trees in that light."

"But that is certainly not to say that keeping religious symbols from schools is not an important objective. You have to look at this in the context of the existing fears over the influence of Christianity in the public arena, and particularly in schools."

The continuing row over evolution - which has led some schools to slap disclaimer stickers to biology textbooks warning that evolution is a theory rather than a fact - is viewed as one such example of Christian sway in the US.

Meanwhile the multi-million-dollar funding for abstinence only sex education in schools is also believed to have been inspired, at least in part, by the president's own religious convictions.

Nativity no-no

Nonetheless, Christian justice groups still perceive that their religion is under threat from left-wingers and secular thinkers who want to wipe Christianity from the American map.

This year they are throwing their support behind a Catholic New York mother, who is suing the city's school authorities over their failure to include a Christian symbol in a seasonal display which included the Jewish menorah and an Islamic crescent.

The authorities are apparently arguing that the Jewish and Islamic symbols are "historical", but a nativity scene is not. A request by BBC News Online for further explanation met no response.

"We don't believe there's a constitutional problem with displaying such religious symbols in the public school context," says Jay Sekulow, chief counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, which represents Christians in church-state cases.

"The problem is when one symbol - in this case the Christian symbol - is excluded. In our view, that is unfair treatment and the type of hostility that violates the constitutional protections we enjoy as Americans."

The secular Susan Jacoby also agrees that it is wrong to exclude the nativity scene when other religions are represented. But she draws a different conclusion.

"This just goes to show that there should be no room for religious symbolism in our schools. Someone's bound to get left out, there will always be an angry mother."

The row is likely to continue well into the New Year, and will resurface next Christmas too. And the one after that.


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1 posted on 12/24/2003 9:25:06 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
"He was sneaky. He took advantage of his access to children to preach, and that simply cannot be allowed to happen," said Dick Kurtenbach of the Kansas ACLU, which has made a complaint.

And, yet teachers who preach the orthodox religion of the state church will always be protected by the Anti-Christian Lunatics Union.

2 posted on 12/24/2003 9:32:36 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: nickcarraway
One of my favorite memories of skool daze was the yearly school Christmas Concert. I was in the school choir for many years, and dearly loved singing those old songs. My favorite was "Angels We Have Heard on High." And I was NOT involved in any religion, although I did attend the Episcopal church so that I could sing in the choir.
3 posted on 12/24/2003 9:33:35 AM PST by EggsAckley (......................... IT'S NOT MY FAULT ! ! ! ...................................)
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To: All
People are going to get offended everyday, they just need to get over it. I am just waiting for someone to say something about my CHRISTmas tree and living in base housing.
4 posted on 12/24/2003 9:41:21 AM PST by navygal
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To: EggsAckley
One of my favorite memories of skool daze was the yearly school Christmas Concert. I was in the school choir for many years, and dearly loved singing those old songs. My favorite was "Angels We Have Heard on High."

Yes, I used to sing in the public school pageants too and we did the Christian carols along with the secular ones. The ACLU and other factions hadn't programmed people to be offended by that yet.

The good ol' days.

5 posted on 12/24/2003 9:42:26 AM PST by Allegra
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To: nickcarraway
The Christmas tree has for many lost its religious meaning over the decades.

Oh for crying out loud.

A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.

6 posted on 12/24/2003 9:44:33 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: nickcarraway
Merry CHRISTmas Everybody!
7 posted on 12/24/2003 9:54:16 AM PST by ThreeYearLurker
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To: nickcarraway
Santas are fine as long as they do not proselytise in schools

And just what would Santa proselytise about, the benefits of wearing red with white fur trim?

8 posted on 12/24/2003 9:56:30 AM PST by CaptRon
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To: ThreeYearLurker
Good for you. Say it loud and clear MERRY CHRISTMAS to all!! I'm so sick of hearing happy holidays or have a wonderful holiday I could puke.
9 posted on 12/24/2003 9:56:42 AM PST by volchef (Don't take a butcher's advice on how to cook meat. If he knew, he'd be a chef. - Andy Rooney)
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To: nickcarraway
Any school, public library, university or government building which at this time of year crosses the constitutional boundary between church and state - be it simply through singing Silent Night or erecting a nativity scene on the lawn - risks being the target of a lawsuit.

The Constitution says nothing about the "separation of church and state"
10 posted on 12/24/2003 9:59:00 AM PST by Mad_at_Taxes
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To: Allegra; EggsAckley
The good ol' days.

Thankfully they do still exist in some places.

Living Nativities in Town Squares, lighted Menorrahs next to Nativity scenes at the entrance to some towns, and children learning Christian carols along with Jingle bells in public school.

I don't dare post the town or school district names publicly lest they be the next target of the easily offended.

11 posted on 12/24/2003 9:59:40 AM PST by Gabz (Merry Christmas all)
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To: nutmeg
read later
12 posted on 12/24/2003 10:00:06 AM PST by nutmeg (Land of the Free – Thanks to the Brave)
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To: Vigilanteman
I think the ACLU is on the right track here, but they reach the wrong conclusion.

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does not support the removal of religious symbols from places like public schools, libraries, etc. -- it actually serves as a compelling argument that places like public schools, libraries, etc. should not even exist in the first place.

13 posted on 12/24/2003 10:06:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: nickcarraway
I think today's "Secular Humanists" are fighting to be free from annoyance.

Would that we were all free from annoyance...
14 posted on 12/24/2003 10:09:22 AM PST by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: nickcarraway
If you wish me a Happy atheists day I would reply, Thank you, and keep moving.

It's NOT religion, it's Christ that's the problem with secularists.

Merry Christmas to all.

15 posted on 12/24/2003 10:15:05 AM PST by Deepest South
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To: Gabz
I don't dare post the town or school district names publicly lest they be the next target of the easily offended.

LOL - I don't blame you. I envy you. I live in a big city, so seeing that would be like a wonderful step back in time for me. Cherish it.

16 posted on 12/24/2003 10:17:10 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Allegra
Cherish it.

Believe me I am. This is our first Christmas in this area and having moved here from a city with a population nearly as big as this entire county. It has been very eye-opening.

I really hadn't paid much attention to the PCness that was taking over where I had lived for 20 years - but it is so apparent to me now.

I'm on my way out now to see some folks in one of those small towns that still does know to keep CHRIST in Christmas.

Merry Christmas to you and yours. And God's blessings for the New Year.

17 posted on 12/24/2003 10:23:25 AM PST by Gabz (Merry Christmas all)
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To: Alberta's Child
"I think the ACLU is on the right track here, but they reach the wrong conclusion.

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does not support the removal of religious symbols from places like public schools, libraries, etc. -- it actually serves as a compelling argument that places like public schools, libraries, etc. should not even exist in the first place."

Wow! Great Post!!!
18 posted on 12/24/2003 10:33:32 AM PST by tbird5
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To: nickcarraway
BS. It will always be CHRISTMAS with the Baby Jesus, families, christmas trees, decorations, Santa, the elves here in America.

What there won't be is an ACLU, haters of America, etc.
19 posted on 12/24/2003 10:38:26 AM PST by freekitty
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To: Dr. Frank
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
A Christmas tree never even *had* a "religious" meaning. At least not a Christian one.
 
 
Ok... if you say so!
 
 

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Happy Hanukkah

20 posted on 12/24/2003 11:02:00 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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